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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by jmspring »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #575
jancsika wrote: post #555

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> You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Name three, please, with emphasis on the "considerably more powerful" part.

Sure...but it might take me a while...how about this, I'll name...as of current, 385 under $100 all with free shipping: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa... The Pi5 is slower than a Core i3 6100, does not support upgradable ram, does not support Pci Gen 3 let alone Gen 3 x16, no actual Sata 6, no upgradable sockets, etc. There are a TON of uses cases for a Pi 5...but only really if power co…

Power and consumption and size are probably significantly more important than the three you list. How often do you "upgrade the ram" in an application where something like a Pi may be used as a component in a larger system?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Dah00n »

Archelaos wrote: post #447
stkdump wrote: post #143

No word on price. When Raspberry Pi first launched, this was the prime feature of the thing. Can we expect same price as the Raspberry Pi 4? (at the respective RAM level) Edit: found it here: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ So the 4 GB model is 60$, which is 5$ more than the 4 GB model of the Raspberry 4 when that was launched: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-.…

> I guess that is fair, especially with inflation nowadays. The accumulated inflation in the US since June 2019 is c. 17%.[1] This means US$ 55 in June 2019 is "worth" c. US$ 64.35 today. So it seems that you get a 4GB Raspi 5 for c. 7.25% less today. The "US Real Average Hourly Earnings" have increase by ca. 22% in the same period, from US$ 27.75 to US$ 33.82.[2] So an average person needs to work c. 12% less to buy…

Amazon is not a good place to get prices from for a comparison. All the enshittification has ruined the prices. As it forces prices up outside Amazon too even outside prices are not useful. To do a proper comparison that doesn't include changes forced by Amazon IMO you need to look at non-US non-Amazon non-Amazon-sellers prices and work with those. Quite annoying really.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Dah00n »

justin66 wrote: post #586
tedivm wrote: post #554

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They're claiming that they've killed themselves as a business hobbyists, which isn't exactly wrong. During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer ba…

> At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). Some small fraction of one percent of "the hobbyist community" has done as you've suggested. You're in some kind of odroid bubble.

So what did all those people that couldn't get a RPI do? Stop doing stuff or did they move on? I'm pretty sure the other brands saw a big uptick in sales but if you know otherwise please do share as I have no numbers to back anything up.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Dah00n »

daveoc64 wrote: post #561
s3p wrote: post #530

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Can you explain their decision to recommend a 27W power supply then?

The new board supports more power hungry IO. If you want to use all of the IO available and push the new SoC then you're going to need a beefier power supply.

What happens if you use those beef options without a powerful PSU?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Eduard »

justin66 wrote: post #592
agloe_dreams wrote: post #575

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Sure...but it might take me a while...how about this, I'll name...as of current, 385 under $100 all with free shipping: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa... The Pi5 is slower than a Core i3 6100, does not support upgradable ram, does not support Pci Gen 3 let alone Gen 3 x16, no actual Sata 6, no upgradable sockets, etc. There are a TON of uses cases for a Pi 5...but only really if power co…

Someone buying used electronics on eBay has already decided that their time is worthless and the hardware doesn't need to be dependable out of the box. Which is fine, those are decisions a person could make, but it's just disingenuous to compare the value of one thing to another without taking the you are using someone's untested trash factor into account.

Raspberry Pi 4s fresh out of the factory often have hardware issues themselves (HDMI connector failures, unreliable USB port power supply on reboot etc.), as one can see from the numerous (and unacknowleged) reports on Raspberry Pi forums — so I find the comparison with used hardware fair.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by rasz »

bpye wrote: post #585
danbee wrote: post #458

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You won't have to. They can all be stacked.

Also looks like PCIe is exposed via an FPC connector. You could probably come up with a scheme to have an M2 device mounted behind the board - if you really wanted. Only having a single lane of PCIe 2.0 is a little unfortunate. I wonder if the inevitable compute module will get more or not. It seems that their IO chip is also attached via PCIe but it provides a lot of the interfaces that you’d expect to have - so my…

it can be forces into "experimental" 3.0 mode so thats something.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by rasz »

nfriedly wrote: post #548

A number of vendors seem to only be showing 4GB and 8GB units for $60 and $80, but https://vilros.com/collections/raspberry-pi-5/products/raspb... has 1GB and 2GB variants for $40 and $50 respectively. https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/ says "LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM (4GB and 8GB SKUs available at launch)" so maybe the cheaper ones will be coming at a later date? Unrelated to that, the addition of a power…

Cant wait for first 2 to 8 GB ram swap hack. Power button is nice, but implementation in custom PMIC once again means its unrepairable https://hackaday.com/2023/03/24/dead-raspberry-pi-boards-pmi...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by wds »

Eduard wrote: post #605
justin66 wrote: post #592

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Someone buying used electronics on eBay has already decided that their time is worthless and the hardware doesn't need to be dependable out of the box. Which is fine, those are decisions a person could make, but it's just disingenuous to compare the value of one thing to another without taking the you are using someone's untested trash factor into account.

Raspberry Pi 4s fresh out of the factory often have hardware issues themselves (HDMI connector failures, unreliable USB port power supply on reboot etc.), as one can see from the numerous (and unacknowleged) reports on Raspberry Pi forums — so I find the comparison with used hardware fair.

I highly doubt that brand-new Raspberry Pis and used PCs on eBay have anywhere close to comparable failure rates.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by pbronez »

doubled112 wrote: post #431
spatular wrote: post #356

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Orange Pi 5, "plus" version also has 2gen 1-lane pci-e (M.2 wifi), and 3gen 4-lane pci-e (M.2 SSD) and 2x2.5Gbit ethernet. 8nm, pretty power efficient. I've measured it to run at 0.7A@5V idle and 1.2A@5V with all 8 cores loaded with md5sum /dev/zero; iirc it had 1 ethernet connected, no other periphery. Running on Armbian.

I have the non-plus and have been pretty happy with it. A lot more computing power than the Pi 4 and older home server it replaced. The M.2 slot was an absolute game changer. Real onboard storage is a must. It runs a few low resource VMs in the garage and I almost completely forget it exists.

How is the software support? That’s the main thing keeping me on rPi. I tried Pine64 and it was terrible. Never could get my PineBook Pro to boot reliably.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by biomcgary »

doubled112 wrote: post #428
KaiserPro wrote: post #312

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Yeah, the intel n100 is absolutely fantastic. but even at bargain basement price its at least 2-4x the price: https://www.amazon.co.uk/TRIGKEY-Mini-PC-Desktop-Computer/dp... I have the above, it's max powerdraw is From what I've seen the pi5 is 1/3rd faster than the intel j5005. (in pybench at least.) but comparing to a real intel NUC, of course its going to be faster, the NUC costs an entire order of magnitude more.

I don't know how the N95 and N100 compare, but I picked up a Beelink mini PC with an N95, 16GB RAM and 500 GB NVME for $195 on a sale the other day. The Pi 5 looks to be $112. By the time I buy a PSU, SD card, case, RTC battery, etc, I'm definitely not saving money buying a Pi. Disclaimer: Canadian dollars.

I picked up a Beelink because the Raspberry Pi 4 was unavailable. I use it as a Linux desktop (next to my M1 Air) and a Jellyfin media server. It has replaced the Raspberry Pi for some purposes, but the Pi still has a place when hacking on hardware due to the GPIO.
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