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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by crossroadsguy »

cztomsik wrote: post #432
chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

I have similar feelings. Apple did a wonderful job with M1/M2, but on the software side, I have mixed feelings. Xcode is a mess, and Swift UI is not a complete replacement for Cocoa. And on the OS side, I feel like Apple is creating features that I instantly disable because they do the exact opposite of what I want.

You are being utterly charitable by saying you’ve mixed feelings about Apple’s software prowess (or rather lack of).

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Post by icedchai »

bingemaker wrote: post #434
cztomsik wrote: post #432

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I have similar feelings. Apple did a wonderful job with M1/M2, but on the software side, I have mixed feelings. Xcode is a mess, and Swift UI is not a complete replacement for Cocoa. And on the OS side, I feel like Apple is creating features that I instantly disable because they do the exact opposite of what I want.

XCode is refusing to install. Fails with some error, and asks me to download XCode again. Also now the system needs 70-80 GB of free space to install XCode. One of the funny upgrades so far

There is definitely something buggy going on there. It took 2 attempts for it to install for me! No errors, it just stopped installing somewhere around 90%. Plenty of free disks space and RAM.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by TheHappyOddish »

bombcar wrote: post #305
beowulfey wrote: post #275

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The name is meaningless. It’s just marketing; every version is named for another location across California. Before that they were named for big cats. Each version has a number that is sequential though. I think it’s just an effect of sheer quantity. They release a new version every year. It’s hard to keep track.

I wish they’d just get iOS, the iPhone, and macOS or whatever it is called now all the same. Today I should be running iOS 15 on an iPhone 15 talking to macOS 15.

Why? They're different operating systems with different backgrounds.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Geekette »

pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

These pages help identify your Mac model and the newest compatible operating system it can be upgraded to:

MacBook Pro https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201300

MacBook Air https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201862

iMac/iMac Pro https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

Mac Pro https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202888

Mac Studio https://www.apple.com/mac-studio/

Mac Mini https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201894

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by wwalexander »

ivlad wrote: post #402
krackers wrote: post #202

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These warnings keep getting longer every homebrew release. You may want to try macPorts, which goes out of their way to explicitly support releases all the way down to 10.5.

MacPorts over homebrew 100% all the time. It’s better suited for a multiuser system (and I share my desktop with my wife who has a different login) and is more stable, too.

100%! Jordan Hubbard co-founded FreeBSD, created the original FreeBSD ports system (on which the entire idea of package management is based), then worked on the BSD technology team at Apple where he made MacPorts.

port is the standard macOS package manager! port is the standard macOS package manager! port is the standard macOS package manager!

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by tzs »

MilaM wrote: post #514
musicale wrote: post #324

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I wish there were a macOS (and Homebrew) "extended support" edition with security patches for 10 years rather than 7. Old Macs are often perfectly usable in terms of hardware, but macOS security updates have left them behind. As of today, it's likely that the 2016 Mac I'm writing this on (which can run Monterey but not Ventura or Sonoma) is out of support. Of course the Mac apocalypse will be when x86 support is drop…

Completely agree. I have two perfectly good but now unsupported 5K iMacs from 2015 and 2017 in my household, both don't get any more upgrades. Heck, I would even pay up to 100 EUR/USD for longer support. But that's probably not a viable business case for Apple anymore.

By upgrades you mean upgrades that change the major OS version, right?

Those both should still be getting security updates. Ventura just updated to 13.6 this morning, Monterey updated to 12.7 a few days ago, and Big Sur updated to 11.17.10 a little over two weeks ago.

Big Sur is expected to stop getting security updates in a couple months. Monterey will probably get them until sometime in the last quarter of 2024, which would be the end of the line for 2015 5K iMacs. 2017 5K iMacs should get Ventura security updates through the last quarter of 2025.

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Post by toyg »

Klonoar wrote: post #506
pkulak wrote: post #387

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Well, they have to spend their time propping up an OS built by one of the richest companies in the world for free.

I mean, I’m sympathetic to OSS being hell but you don’t get this vibe from MacPorts. The tone with which they write that stuff actually makes me not use it - not because it’s not good (it generally is), I just get annoyed reading it.

That's probably because MacPorts was built by (and for) actual Apple employees, whereas Homebrew was built by someone unrelated who even had to start his own company because FAANGs wouldn't hire him.

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Post by axelav »

n8henrie wrote: post #197
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

https://nixos.org/download.html#nix-install-macos The homebrew team seems incredibly burnt-out, to the point of hostility. I've really enjoyed the nixpkgs community so far and encourage others to check it out; it hasn't replaced homebrew entirely for me (yet), but it's getting closer every day.

Is there a good guide on how to replace homebrew with nix? I've been curious for a while but always end up with 30 tabs open and giving up.

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Post by riddley »

philistine wrote: post #186
capableweb wrote: post #40

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Isn't that basically why you get Apple stuff in the first place, to have primitive but well-working things? They're not exactly famous for catering to professionals or people who want a customized experience.

> They're not exactly famous for catering to professionals If Mac OS wasn't famous for catering to professionals for a full decade, there would not be any Apple Computers inc. Of course the point still stands that Apple is famous nowadays for its phones, but macOS is still seen by many as the golden standard in window management. That it achieves its reputation without window snapping is a detail.

I can only assume the people who find it to be the gold standard have never used any other window manager and/or have very low requirements/APM.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

regularjack wrote: post #189

I guess now it's safe for me to install Ventura.

I never had issues with MacOS. And for the past 10 years I would install it as soon as a new version came out. A few years it would take a longer time for HomeBrew to have packages for the new version right of the bat, but today I did a brew update and brew upgrade and there was an upgrade for a package that had a version for Sonoma already. Pretty nifty.
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