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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by pseudalopex »

seydor wrote: post #253
pseudalopex wrote: post #163

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The active users voted to go private in many cases.

only a handful of subscribers voted in each of these polls. And we know that the most motivated people cared enough to vote, the vast majority of people do not care about this There were a lot of people protesting the protest in r/modCoord but they started banning them

Polls I saw were very active for their groups. People who opposed going private has equal opportunity to vote. People who abstained abstained. More important votes are decided all the time by the people who cared enough to vote.

r/modCoord has negative comments minutes to days old. Criticism is not banned evidently. How did the banned protest the protest? Are the protesting moderators allowed any moderation of their coordination channels in your mind?

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by vruiz »

DropInIn wrote: post #547
vruiz wrote: post #407

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Exactly, someone with more time than me please create a nice looking, lurker friendly, read-only aggregator with all the different content in all the different servers/communities. Ideally merging submissions and comments when possible. You would have me immediately as a user and I bet I wouldn’t be the only one. It’s so obvious that I guess someone must have done it and I just haven’t heard about it yet.

So... Sounds like you want what I keep thinking about: Front end that works with feeds from multiple sources, like RSS, and permits comments, posts etc using SSO, with all interactions logged centrally in the SSO account (for later edits deletes etc). Sound about right? Because you me it seems like every provider in that list should be able to make a profit off the data and interactions... With users who want increas…

Yes although me being primarily a lurker I need even less. More than post or comment, if I have an account it would be to block some things and prfioritize other things more closely. What you describe would make sense for more extended functionality, but there is silent majority of lazy lurkers like myself that could be served very easily.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by LordKeren »

crazygringo wrote: post #82

Now that the initial 48 hours have passed, I would expect Reddit to override this at any moment now. Any subreddits which had not been private previously will revert back to public and the ability to change from public to private will be temporarily disabled. It's one thing for management to wait out 48h (doable), it's another thing to wait out something "indefinite".

I think even reddit is not arrogant enough to attempt that. It would require removing every moderator from every subreddit that has gone private at the same time.

Even if reddit forces subreddit's public, the auto-mod script to remove all new comments and posts is 2 lines of YAML. Having a public site with a bunch of upset and unaccountable mods is only inviting them to become bad actors and actively sabotage the site, which will do much much more damage than going private

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by TylerE »

wccrawford wrote: post #592
Tempat wrote: post #564

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I don’t know much about how the fediverse thing works. Would it be theoretically possible to have something kind of like how torrents work, with some central list of all servers acting as the “tracker list”?: - Servers choose what they want to host and what their personal bandwidth limit is - A user visiting a specific subforum automatically downloads from whatever servers are currently available to serve it Then you…

You don't have an identity on a torrent unless you join a server. Similarly, you need to join a Lemmy server to have an identity there, or anywhere on Lemmy. Unlike private torrent trackers, you only need 1 Lemmy identity, and you can subscribe to other servers' communities from your original server.

Torrents have magnet links, which don’t require servers at all.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by marcosdumay »

zozbot234 wrote: post #539
anigbrowl wrote: post #518

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I'm not objecting to federation as such, I'm objecting to the belief that users want to become federation evangelists in order to engage in social conversation. It's limiting the uptake of federated services because it forces users into making a meaningless-seeming choice before they can participate. When I show a site like Lemmy to my non-technical friends, their eyes glaze over and they are confused by the necessit…

> When I show a site like Lemmy to my non-technical friends, their eyes glaze over That's quite understandable actually, the Lemmy UX sucks. Try showing them fedibb.ml instead. It's Lemmy under the hood, and federation works perfectly - but you'd never guess that!

Hum... If I go to fedibb.ml, I get a bad cert domain error.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by CBarkleyU »

theossuary wrote: post #193
nomilk wrote: post #159

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Do all lemmy servers host the same content or does selecting an appopriate server really matter a lot? (I was just signing up and had no idea what considerations one should make when selecting a server) Unrelated: is there a way to do `random search term site:reddit.com` for lemmy?

Picking a Lemmy server mostly matters because different servers will have different moderation practices, UIs, and communities. So you should pick a server that gels with what you want from a community. Also keep in mind many servers have explicit federation block lists. Once you've picked a server and signed up, you can access any community on any other server by just searching for the community url on your instance…

>The expectation I think is different communities in different instances will win and be the primary places for games, or technology, etc.

So there will be several r/games, r/videos, r/gifs, [...] on the Fediverse? This seems like a big hassle, no? Is there a built in solution to aggregate these?

One could argue that on Reddit subreddits also competed against each other, but in reality most of the time, the subreddit with the most approachable name always won. r/godot is obviously going to be the main Godot subreddit, even if there is a r/godot4coolkidz "competing" with it.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

rakoo wrote: post #580
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #445

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> No, no. You lead with the benefits to the user. This isn't Github Seriously. Have a default server (or set of defaults) newbies dump into after completing a simple sign-up flow. Then let them move it as they benefit from the product and gain an incentive to learn about it. Reddit is up in arms about API pricing and mods. Do you think the average Reddit user would have signed up if they had to first jump through hoo…

> benefit from the product and gain an incentive > An infintessimal fraction of users care about philosophy or architecture [...] Users came for their cat pics. Give them their cat pics. Pitch them on the back end afterwards. I'm afraid you don't understand the concept of the fediverse. The philosophy is the point. Making reddit2 is completely useless. This is not a product, it's a vision of how we manage communicati…

> philosophy is the point. Making reddit2 is completely useless. This is not a product, it's a vision of how we manage communications as a society.

Nothing about cleaner onboarding requires anyone to compromise principles. And nothing about a guiding philosophy requires you constantly evangelize. Let the merits of the system speak for itself.

> implies involvement, because in a democracy you are part of the decision process, and you act as a community

Then the sign-up page is a poll test. Democratic ambition strives to make participation easy. That doesn't mean the act of participating is easy. Just that we identify needless barriers and ideological tests as undemocratic. As a result, democracies--time and again--outcompete their centralized peers.

What I'm seeing is not competitive, and it is not democratic. It's closer to theological. I'm hopeful that someone will embrace these principles more productively so we have middle ground between Huffman-Musk and crypto/web3.

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Post by vruiz »

SirPsychoMantis wrote: post #549
vruiz wrote: post #407

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Exactly, someone with more time than me please create a nice looking, lurker friendly, read-only aggregator with all the different content in all the different servers/communities. Ideally merging submissions and comments when possible. You would have me immediately as a user and I bet I wouldn’t be the only one. It’s so obvious that I guess someone must have done it and I just haven’t heard about it yet.

I've been drawn to kbin, it is part of the "Fediverse", so you can see kbin, lemmy, and I believe also mastodon posts from it. If you just anonymously browse to https://kbin.social/ (the main instance right now) you'll have something similar to the reddit front page, content from a bunch of different instances. It is definitely still a little rough around the edges, but considering it is one dev and the first commit…

Is it automatically pulling content from all other instances??? That was not clear to me, I though it was some form of cross-posting and required someone to submit things.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF »

nullityrofl wrote: post #387
chongli wrote: post #37

I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

Federated services will never become mainstream. This is just the reality that people need to come to accept. I find them heavily talked about in circles with my colleagues and in my profession but the attraction of decentralized services just isn't there for the vast majority of people. I find Lemmy frustrating to use and it isn't just growing pains: it's the same reason I find Mastodon frustrating. Do I care if use…

> I wish people would focus on building services that meet peoples needs

No what you are presenting is an argument for services that meet the needs of dumbest assumable users and centralization. It's the same unreflected argument as has been repeated over and over when it comes to Mastodon and it boils down to "everyone needs to be there or else it's a failure". Services like that obviously are fine too, but there is more than enough people that don't need or want that.

It speaks for a certain narrow mindedness that everything needs to be Silicon Valley's next big thing that will someday rock the stock market.

In reality Mastodon does not have the size of Twitter, and you might find it too difficult to use. However not everyone is that way, and it has over the last months proven to be a good alternative for users. It's potentially the same with Lemmy: It only needs to povide a cool alternative and enough users for meaningful interaction.

It does not need the popularity of reddit to be valid. And it does not need to be designed explicitly for the layperson. (not an excuse for a bad UI, but with new Reddit the bar is incredibly low there, and Lemmy seems fine)

> I find Lemmy frustrating to use

Well others don't, and that is fine. For me personally: not everyone needs to migrate to Lemmy (or another federated alternative), only the communities I care about. And the same can be true for other people as well.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by yadingus »

monktastic1 wrote: post #582
yadingus wrote: post #577

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> Especially for non-technical users, Is this actually an issue? If you're looking for a straight up reddit alternative in all its scope, I can see it being an issue, but if we simply want a better iteration, then isn't one more catered to technical users, perhaps be a good thing? To me this feels similar to windows vs linux. The pains you describe in learning to use lemmy reminds me of windows users who complain abo…

That depends on whether you consider a community that's missing all non-technical voices to be "better." By contrast, operating systems are an individual choice with individual impact.

That is a fair point, but as a thought experiment, I can't really say. I just think the immediate assumption that you need those non-technical voices should be reconsidered.
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