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Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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That rule ain't changing unfortunately. Regulatory capture is STRONG with automotive and the US sees it as a matter of national security (car makers would be pivoted to other ares in times of war).

So what you are saying is Tesla is building China’s future factories for armor.

Maybe not armor, but yes.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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> If you're in an accident going fast enough for the size of your vehicle to matter, you stand a very high chance of getting severely fucked up no matter what you're driving. The most dangerous, a head on collision, will always be safer for the heavier vehicle. It's simple physics.

Rollovers are also extremely bad, and vehicles like the Tahoe have a ~25% rollover risk as assessed by the NHTSA. It's simple physics! More than anything, you need to just not be in the accident in the first place. Buying a vehicle with dogshit braking and handling characteristics so you can "win" in a crash you could have just avoided is dumb, especially when you consider that you carry that increased rollover tende…

> Buying a vehicle with dogshit braking and handling characteristics so you can "win" in a crash you could have just avoided is dumb,

Not really sure how you can avoid someone drifting over the line at you...

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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I mean, it clearly can be, since AWD (and RWD, for that matter) minivans do exist. It's just less common for minivans than it is for SUVs, likely for the reason you mention.

Sorry, yes. It's technically feasible. However, practically, it's not. Within the modern minivan sector, it'd be a non-starter to have a transmission tunnel when all of your competitors don't have that.

> when all of your competitors don't have that

Aside from the Chrysler Pacifica, which does offer a traditional AWD (to this day AFAIK), presumably with the requisite transmission tunnel.

There's also the Toyota Sienna, which gets away with AWD by using an electric motor for the rear wheels. Hopefully this continues to catch on.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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So American drivers are aggressive towards those they think to be poorer than them? Why do you think that is? (genuinely curious)

Theres this weird animosity, people in cars like to get outraged at people on bikes. I can't pinpoint why, but its almost like a xenophobic reaction? Some people see a bicyclist and launch into a tirade about how aggravating the 'bad ones' are. Real self righteous stuff. Conversely being on a bike there is a real sense that people in cars are out to do you harm. Theres the people who try to rattle you - honk their ho…

There's also big in-group out-group thinking going on here. People generally see members of the in-group as individuals like themselves, and the out-group as some kind of monolith. They have some empathy for the in-group but none for the out-group.

If a driver runs a stop sign, it reflects badly on that driver. If a cyclist runs a stop sign, it reflects badly on ALL cyclists, etc. It works the other way around too.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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Yeah, like in a suburban neighborhood? Or a variety of urban spaces, based on context? In your rush to accuse others of making bad faith arguments you're making just plain thoughtless ones.

The context was rush hour Washington Boulevard. I'm not rushing to accuse anyone, and I'm not the one thoughtlessly ignoring the context.

Why do you think they were on that road?

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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Thanks for the useless hit piece, if you can find the scientific data, I'll evaluate it, but when I click into the links on the article, I'm unable to find it. So we're clear: because surveys are incredibly difficult to do in a scientific way and there's a dozen ways to ask a question that can skew results, there's a hundred ways a journalist can misinterpret the results of that question, and there's a thousand ways…

it's more evidence than you've provided to back your seemingly strongly held opinions on this subject, which is none

No, it's literally just a blogger expressing their opinion based on broken link data that we can't independently evaluate, so it's just as valid as an HN comment.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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The 25-year import rule here, which bans Americans from importing vehicles from other countries unless they're 25+ years old, is just awful for those of us who would be interested in driving small, efficient foreign cars. It would be great to live completely car-free, but absent major changes to how we plan our cities, it's just a sad reality that cars are a necessary ingredient to life in the vast majority of Americ…

There's electric bikes in China that are more like a Vespa than anything. Commuting this way was pretty great when I owned one. The range is perfect for urban commuters, charging it at night is basically negligible in your power bill, it slips right past the cars so there's no such thing as traffic (whatever cars pass you, you pass them right back by the next red light), likewise parking is a non-issue as it takes a…

I don't have a good impression of chinese electric bikes. They don't make very much noise behind you (unless they have a speaker) and the people driving them are often doing dubious things that maybe the bike shouldn't be doing, like balancing a bunch of empty water bottles.

But I guess I feel the same in SEA where instead of electric bikes you have to contend with a sea of gas mopeds.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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post #371

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So American drivers are aggressive towards those they think to be poorer than them? Why do you think that is? (genuinely curious)

As an American who grew up feeling annoyed and aggressive toward people driving motorcycles, but now drives a motorcycle regularly for the past 10 years, it never had anything to do with how poor someone was. Motorcycles aren't the most practical vehicles on American roads, so I always perceived them as a sport, not a necessity. And motorcycle drivers has a reputation for pulling stupid stunts and causing accidents o…

Once on the way from NYC to a long island beach, I saw about 10 or 20 on crotch rockets just splitting traffic and doing crazy stunts down the parkway. I'm pretty sure some new stereotypes were born in me that day, but I never saw that happen again (though I didn't live in NYC for very long, just a few months).

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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Thanks for the useless hit piece, if you can find the scientific data, I'll evaluate it, but when I click into the links on the article, I'm unable to find it. So we're clear: because surveys are incredibly difficult to do in a scientific way and there's a dozen ways to ask a question that can skew results, there's a hundred ways a journalist can misinterpret the results of that question, and there's a thousand ways…

I think many users here would have a heart attack and die to realize how many semis on the road are entirely empty (deadheading) and how many are filled way below capacity. Most truck owners I know use their truck as a truck quite often. But that’s more rural; maybe everyone in a city commutes in an F150 for absolutely no reason at all.

> realize how many semis on the road are entirely empty

I'm sure semis are empty after they've dropped off a load at a destination and there is no commensurate return load back to where they came from. But given that semis are very expensive to move down the road, both from a human resource cost and an energy cost, I suspect the market is far better at optimizing that than you or I or any central operator could do.

Everyone I know that owns F150s use their truck beds or use their hitch to tow. I'm not sure what the big controversy is, except there seems to be a class of urbanites that are convinced they know other people's own needs better than they do. "They don't need a truck," says the Brooklyn blogger, who then proceeds to snark about a foreign micro truck that's normally used to skirt through the narrow streets and alleyways of Tokyo. The blogger has prob never owned acreage, cut lumber, smoked a brisket on-location, or hauled a load, but they know for sure that these silly Americans don't need a truck that's any bigger than a Prius.

Re: Rural Americans are importing tiny Japanese pickup trucks

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If everyone has one, it's not a status symbol. The article talks about using the Kei truck as a replacement for a UTV/Side-by-Side, not for a daily truck. These /r/fuckcars people have never done real work in their lives and are just larping. 1100 pound tow capacity couldn't even tow most empty trailers.

> If everyone has one, it's not a status symbol iPhones somehow manage to be a status symbol even with 50% of the US population owning one

Really, iPhones are status symbols, in 2023? Do people turn their head to look at you as you walk down the street, because you own an iPhone?
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