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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by sshconnection »

asynchronous wrote: post #211
mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. I remember reading blog after blog on HN about people moving out of SF specifically for what the city had become.

Love how HN loves data driven analysis, except when analyzing SF violent crime rates.

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Post by kyleblarson »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

Two things can be true at the same time: SF has declined immensely and the killer in this case was not a criminal homeless addict.

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Post by pbj1968 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #539
Aeroi wrote: post #452

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> were both gay men Bob wasn’t gay. (EDIT: Never mind!) A man can have hooked up with guys and not be gay as much as a gay man can have hooked up with women and not be straight or bi. More importantly, we don’t have any evidence they were lovers.

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Post by tsunamifury »

tsgagnon wrote: post #494
asynchronous wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. I remember reading blog after blog on HN about people moving out of SF specifically for what the city had become.

I don’t understand why it can’t be both: SF is degenerating when it comes to random crime AND this murder wasn’t by some random thug. Always important to reflect on whether stances like "SF is degenerating" are based on a rational analysis of what is actually happening, versus a more emotional response to stories that might be more like the topic of this post, just with less visibility into the exact circumstances of…

You can appeal to facts and being as rational as you want, but people leave because of how they feel.

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Post by kayge »

curo wrote: post #549

Is the "Expand IT, Inc" on the LinkedIn profile the only evidence that the "alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew." There's comments is this thread of amazing journalism but the LLC shows as inactive on the Division of CA website (entity 201008110204) and the Expand IT website itself is dead. For all we know, this is a Lyft or Uber driver. Unless I'm missing some SFPD statement known to…

The website is possibly down from all the other amateur internet sleuth traffic out there -- there are fairly recent snapshots on the Internet Archive.

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Post by dougmwne »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #539
Aeroi wrote: post #452

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> were both gay men Bob wasn’t gay. (EDIT: Never mind!) A man can have hooked up with guys and not be gay as much as a gay man can have hooked up with women and not be straight or bi. More importantly, we don’t have any evidence they were lovers.

https://www.gaysonoma.com/2023/04/gay-cash-app-founder-bob-l...

Setting aside the label, this does appear to potentially have been a crime of passion, which has specific legal consequences.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/crime_of_passion

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Post by chaps »

PaulWaldman wrote: post #532
chaps wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be surprised what information is released to the public. I'd be willing to bet that the reporter has access to dispatch logs from over-the-air radio [1] and cross-references that with incident reports at [2] and then does a lookup on [3]. Entirely speculation, but it's not implausible. [1] https://somafm.com/scanner/ [2] https://data.sfgov.org/Public-Safety/Police-Department-Incid... [3] https://www.sfsheriff.c…

Absolutely, there are many data sources available so piece some of this together. What I find interesting is indicating a LinkedIn profile, unless of course this reporter has access to investigation documents that also identify the LinkedIn profile. It could very well be a different person with the same name in the same town. Why take the risk? Just so you can have the juicy headline "alleged killer also worked in te…

Yeah, that was a bit much.

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Post by zenkat »

jb3689 wrote: post #440

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

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Post by hintymad »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

As much as I don't like SF's progressive politics, the data showed that the recalled SF DA Boudin didn't charge less on murders or narcotics: https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/We-obtained-never-.... Boudin did charge less on theft and burglary.

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Post by curo »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #586
curo wrote: post #549

Is the "Expand IT, Inc" on the LinkedIn profile the only evidence that the "alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew." There's comments is this thread of amazing journalism but the LLC shows as inactive on the Division of CA website (entity 201008110204) and the Expand IT website itself is dead. For all we know, this is a Lyft or Uber driver. Unless I'm missing some SFPD statement known to…

Two quick things: First, you apparently missed this paragraph: Rather, Lee and Momeni were portrayed by police as being familiar with one another. In the wee hours of April 4, they were purportedly driving together through downtown San Francisco in a car registered to the suspect. Doesn't sound to me like the reporter is just speculating based on the LinkedIn profile. Secondly, I'm pretty sure you have the wrong fili…

I was going off the 2010 date but you could be right. I didn't mean to jump to conclusions; just seems like I'm missing some details that leads to the author's convictions. Probably I'm missing the police portrayals mentioned in the article.
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