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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by two_handfuls »

emodendroket wrote: post #351
andy_ppp wrote: post #318

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Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

The fear of investors and, to some extent, Google, is that LLMs will supplant traditional search and by the time enough people are catching on to affect metrics the momentum will be too great to stop. My experience with LLMs has not led me to believe that is all that likely but opinions differ there.

The user experience with ChatGPT is pretty good. No ads, no spam results. There are downsides too of course: the hallucinations, and the way the ChatGPT site wants me to log back on now and then.

I was very happy with Google but recently on my iPhone the Google website started nagging me to log in every time I do a search. This is a poor experience, add to that the ad results that have gotten harder and harder over time to distinguish from real results.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by barbariangrunge »

jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Newsfeed based systems like this lead to lousy consequences. Trolling, toxicity, witch hunts, tribalism, racism. Distraction. Disconnection between people and having to be a slave to some algorithm to get noticed. I’m really sad to see substack do this

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by hackernewds »

Zetice wrote: post #518
jacquesm wrote: post #181

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I hope it doesn't. Because it essentially sets us up for a repeat. If Mastodon was 'just not the thing people were looking for' then at least it solves the problems that both Twitter and Substack have, which is that they are not federated. Better to fix Mastodon than to waste another decade on something that will ultimately blow up and with the way Substack has - in my head at least - been associated negatively with…

Bluesky is building AT, what mastodon should have been. That will kill Twitter in a way that’s at least new. Not sure how to solve the HOA problem though…

Do not trust any Jack Dorsey product anymore as the next alternative again

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by emodendroket »

two_handfuls wrote: post #601
emodendroket wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fear of investors and, to some extent, Google, is that LLMs will supplant traditional search and by the time enough people are catching on to affect metrics the momentum will be too great to stop. My experience with LLMs has not led me to believe that is all that likely but opinions differ there.

The user experience with ChatGPT is pretty good. No ads, no spam results. There are downsides too of course: the hallucinations, and the way the ChatGPT site wants me to log back on now and then. I was very happy with Google but recently on my iPhone the Google website started nagging me to log in every time I do a search. This is a poor experience, add to that the ad results that have gotten harder and harder over t…

I’ve found it amusing but haven’t gotten that much practical use out of it. I still make multiple Google searches every day.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Just by not showing random posts which the algorithm decides I should see on my timeline itself makes Mastodon leagues better than Twitter.

I've been interacting with only couple of people whom I follow and vice versa for past several months I've been on Mastodon and I feel great about it. I'm convinced that federated instances are the solution to the social media problems just by strong focus on the theme and inherent limit to scaling without any pressure from VCs.

P.S. Please consider donating to your Mastodon instance.

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Post by arvindamirtaa »

propogandist wrote: post #595
andrei_says_ wrote: post #568

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Twitter now has daily outages where parts of it just don’t function and no one knows when we’ll experience a more serious one. It serves the daily/hourly whims and mood swings of a single person who has proven to be petty, vindictive (to his employees), and devoid of integrity. That lack of stability in my opinion accumulates. Sooner or later it will balance out the momentum.

this was the same narrative pushed when most of the tweeps was axed, but the site has been running fine and has only grown in popularity.

Grown in popularity is not really a metric. A normal tuesday and the day half the company's staffers got fired aren't going to be the same in popularity. Doesn't mean one is better. Twitter is definitely more popular for all the mess they've made, yes.

The "narrative" was right. There are actual outages now unlike earlier. It's not like twitter engineers were holding up the servers to the light for there to be outages the moment they're gone. Systems run on their own just fine, until something does go wrong. And if there's nobody there to fix it, something usually small blows up. Enough of these and users start to notice degraded performance and outages.

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Post by shaklee3 »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #568
greyman wrote: post #397

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But is twitter really dying? The fields I watch (AI, software engineering, writers), all thought leaders are still there, still posting regularly.

Twitter now has daily outages where parts of it just don’t function and no one knows when we’ll experience a more serious one. It serves the daily/hourly whims and mood swings of a single person who has proven to be petty, vindictive (to his employees), and devoid of integrity. That lack of stability in my opinion accumulates. Sooner or later it will balance out the momentum.

You'll need a citation for this. I've been using it for years and haven't noticed any difference or outages.

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Post by boo-ga-ga »

andy_ppp wrote: post #318
cfeduke wrote: post #269

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> There’s no dent By the time there is a dent, it's too late.

Sounds great but you’ll have to provide some logic because I don’t automatically follow your extremely confident opinion…

I think the answer is network effect. As soon as there appears a properly working easy accessible alternative (not Mastodon), people with will start moving to it. At first it won’t be visible in twitter’s popularity, but when the new service reaches some critical mass of users - the popularity will start falling quickly. Let’s see if Notes is this alternative.

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Post by wyclif »

propogandist wrote: post #595
andrei_says_ wrote: post #568

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter now has daily outages where parts of it just don’t function and no one knows when we’ll experience a more serious one. It serves the daily/hourly whims and mood swings of a single person who has proven to be petty, vindictive (to his employees), and devoid of integrity. That lack of stability in my opinion accumulates. Sooner or later it will balance out the momentum.

this was the same narrative pushed when most of the tweeps was axed, but the site has been running fine and has only grown in popularity.

It's actually faster now than it's ever been, especially if you're using it from outside of North America.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by rewtraw »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #605
jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Just by not showing random posts which the algorithm decides I should see on my timeline itself makes Mastodon leagues better than Twitter. I've been interacting with only couple of people whom I follow and vice versa for past several months I've been on Mastodon and I feel great about it. I'm convinced that federated instances are the solution to the social media problems just by strong focus on the theme and inhere…

without a UX that abstracts away the siloed nature of federated instances, it really is a massive hindrance to network effects and will prevent Mastodon from ever growing beyond a small niche
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