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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by htss2013 »

pydry wrote: post #559
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

If we could just stop being economically gaslighted it would help. The economic system can't be simultaneously unproductive enough to require us to keep raising the retirement age and so productive that job loss is a big problem. It is possible that a political war on labor is being waged at both ends.

It's possible to have certain things be abundant and other things be scarce simultaneously, because technology doesn't make everything abundant at the same time. That means certain types of labor are abundant and others scarce at the same time as well.

There may be a war on certain kinds of labor but having to raise the retirement age and having job losses from tech aren't evidence of it.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by goodluckchuck »

nextaccountic wrote: post #576
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. Wealth distribution has been a challenge since we've moved away from spending our day solely focused on gathering food / farming. Every shock to our current system will take time to adjust.

> I mean I think that's with every system a problem. Not just ours. This doesn't mean that different economic systems have equivalent or comparable problems. Just like you can have a worse economic system than today's global capitalism, you could, in principle, have better systems.

Capitalism is not an economic system, it is a description of fundamental economics.

Countries can have a highly regulated form of capitalism where trade and ownership is strictly controlled… and they’re often called socialist or communist, or a laissez faire system.

However, so long as people are using land, buildings structures, designing equipment… the laws of capitalism will apply.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by unreal37 »

pydry wrote: post #559
HyperSane wrote: post #450

The fact that so many people fear loss of income as a result of better AI is a real indictment of our economic system. A better system that more fairly distributed economic productivity would make people welcome better AI because they could be confident it would make everyone wealthier instead of just a few people rich enough to be Goa'uld.

If we could just stop being economically gaslighted it would help. The economic system can't be simultaneously unproductive enough to require us to keep raising the retirement age and so productive that job loss is a big problem. It is possible that a political war on labor is being waged at both ends.

The changing demographics is what causes the retirement age to be increased.

In the 1960's, the average lifespan was in the 60s. So a retirement age of 65 meant that around half of retirees would die before collecting retirement.

Now the average lifespan is 80. And the median age of the population is older than ever.

Not really much to do with an "unproductive" population. Except that retirees are unproductive I guess.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by zulrah »

Actually, I think we are living in the most equal times ever. Don't get me wrong the situation is very bad especially if one belongs to any minority group but the wealth is divided more equally than any time in the history before

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by FooBarWidget »

wrs wrote: post #430
vc8f6vVV wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I your work is not producing anything valuable for other people it's void and you will get bored pretty fast, it's a human nature. If it does you can always find a way to monetize it as people need it and ready to share their wealth for something they need. No, it doesn't have to be a work "for a company", but if you can't "make money off of this" it probably means your "work" is only relevant to you, or somebody els…

By this argument, hobbies do not exist.

Hobbies are relevant personally. Fits his definition.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by Xorlev »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #461
pixl97 wrote: post #178

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My friends in the gaming industry have the complains they can't get new junior and associate members on their team for development. Instead companies want to throw more tooling at them to make the senior developers more productive. With how bad companies are at providing on the job training now, what does the future look like with 100x developers versus newbies that can't talk to AI?

If we can get these sort of tools custom trained on proprietary custom video game engines I feel they could be enormously useful in job training and getting new jr members of the team up and running quickly. Things like "how do I make a debug cheat command to increase player speed" would be a simple question that would send a jr programmer spending time asking around and poking through many areas of code (how do I ma…

Or it would stunt their growth. Those sorts of tasks force you to poke around and learn, rather than having the answer handed to you by a LLM or senior engineer.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by advael »

netbioserror wrote: post #86
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

What a profoundly naive opinion. The overwhelming majority of paid work available is not fulfilling to anyone, and the overwhelming majority of people who are wealthy enough to not need to work to subsist can find things to do with their time, and for the most part seem to find more fulfilling things to do than people stuck in the labor market

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by curioussavage »

netbioserror wrote: post #86
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

I agree with the other sibling comment about a “job” not being the only way to have that fulfillment.

Also apart from the “real” disabled, a lot of people are just disabled enough mentally or physically to be deemed fit for Jobs with a capital j but are miserable.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by fl7305 »

unreal37 wrote: post #603
pydry wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we could just stop being economically gaslighted it would help. The economic system can't be simultaneously unproductive enough to require us to keep raising the retirement age and so productive that job loss is a big problem. It is possible that a political war on labor is being waged at both ends.

The changing demographics is what causes the retirement age to be increased. In the 1960's, the average lifespan was in the 60s. So a retirement age of 65 meant that around half of retirees would die before collecting retirement. Now the average lifespan is 80. And the median age of the population is older than ever. Not really much to do with an "unproductive" population. Except that retirees are unproductive I gues…

> In the 1960's, the average lifespan was in the 60s

Yes. At birth.

The remaining life expectancy at 30/40/50/60 has not increased nearly as much as you would think from the increase in average lifespan at birth.

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