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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by rootusrootus »

carlmcqueen wrote: post #121

I know it's my own niche case, but with apple silicone I have more issues with external monitors than I've ever had in my entire life. I run my own business and I've always liked Macs because having the same software as my team makes fixing issues so much quicker but this is the first time I've thought about moving us to PCs. In my case, it is a start of the day, every single day, issue where I'm unplugging and re-pl…

I haven't had a problem so far, but I just want to plug rtings.com for this -- when I've looked at monitors, I see that they have a specific review for MacBook compatibility for every monitor. That's really helpful, and their reviews are otherwise top notch quality as well. At least one monitor got axed from my recent search based solely on the review that said it was finicky to get working without compromising on the performance.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bodge5000 »

drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

> non-replaceable ram and ssd

This is what kills it for me. When the M1 macs came out I was quite enthusiastic to use them, but just wasn't ready to drop that kind of money on an unknown OS. So I brought a cheaper, refurbished MBA (8gb ram, 256gb ssd) and loved it. The trouble is, 256gb ssd would be too small for me as a daily driver, ideally I'd want at least 1tb, but my only option to get that is to buy a whole new mac. Its hard to justify spending ~£3000 on what is effectively for me just a bigger ssd.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by eastbound »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #396
victorbstan wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree with this sentiment. Many years ago I bought a maxed out MacBook Pro for about ~ $3000 CAD and now the prices go up to ~ $6000. Technology is supposed to get better and cheaper over time. They really are trying to squeeze every cent out of consumers they can. There’s also another side to it. I think a big “buyer” of apple hardware were startups and tech companies that were providing these machines to their empl…

Not just startups and tech companies, lots of boring non-tech enterprises offer Macs too for technical roles because you lose out on good candidates if you can't offer Macs. This side of the pond (Europe) those are also way more likely to allow employees to upgrade after a few years.

You speak in general terms but you’re in a bubble. Here in my bubble, a tech valley in the South of France, developers have to be convinced to switch to Mac. “Sounds awesome but will I be able to get used to the new shortcuts?” is the general question.

Where are you from? I’d rather hire from your pool than mine (and I pay 20-30% above market range).

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by mdcrowcroft »

Is it known what proportion of mac sales are B2B?

I wonder with all the talk of layoffs, cost-cutting, and chasing short-term cashflow if we're seeing most businesses say to themselves 'let's just get one more year out of the laptops we have'. A lot of companies have a 2-3 year turnover on laptops and pushing things out a bit for most people wouldn't be an issue.

In the short term that kind of change would have a severe impact on sales, but will smooth out a bit over the long term.

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Post by sovnade »

hajile wrote: post #571
lotsofpulp wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The MacBook Air has been solid since inception, and that machine is good enough for the vast majority of people.

It kills me that I can only get ONE external monitor. It would otherwise be perfect.

There are adapters that let you use multiple and bypass that limit. Kensington has a few.

This one is pricier but also doubles as a docking station/100w PD:

https://www.kensington.com/p/products/device-docking-connect...

They have some cheaper, more basic models too.

edit: for the record I think this limit is stupid and the biggest flaw of the Air. You're right that other than that, it's a damn near perfect daily driver.

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Post by sleepybrett »

fastaguy88 wrote: post #344
slowmotiony wrote: post #274

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Electronics prices in the EU are simply crazy. Recently i wanted to get a small mini-PC that would be energy efficient and I could run some AI experiments on. Reading online forums, everyone's like "just get a mac mini, couple hundred bucks and you're golden". I check the apple website and turns out they actually cost almost a thousand euro for the 16GB/256GB model. But its the same with a lot of other electronics to…

They should have said: "Just get a used Mac Mini". You can literally get them from macsales.com for less than $100. The intel machines have not gotten much faster, but their prices have dropped dramatically.

In the past i've done the hackintosh thing with NUCs over mac minis. They are generally cheaper, faster and you can actually replace the ram/storage. With the advent of M1/2 though that will no longer be an option.

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Post by lynndotpy »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

I didn't downvote you, but I'd imagine you're being downvoted for arguing in favor of that laptop being economical.

At the risk of sounding like a dead meme, "a laptop going strong for over 9 years" is already the default for the kinds of folks who would opt for Linux and who would replace their laptops HDD with an SSD.

My $800 laptop from 2015 has been 16GiB RAM and 512TB SSD and it still works perfectly (save for an Ethernet port which I regrettably damaged). It's running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, which is supported for three more years as of this comment.

This is kind of a standard experience for people in Linux land. So by comparison, a $1600 laptop with 8GiB RAM and a 256GB HDD which is no longer receiving security updates does not sound like a good deal.

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Post by FullyFunctional »

twawaaay wrote: post #592
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

I think the answer isn't that simple. It depends. For me my M1 Macbook Pro has the following pros: * It just works. I detest Windows. I love Linux but lately I started spending too much time maintaining it, I have busy life and decided that taking care of my OS is a luxury and I would rather use something that is acceptable than spend a lot of time getting to perfect. * It is viable powerful workstation. I just conne…

My $0.02: in my world nobody gives a #### about status, but while I agree with your list, I feel it misses the single biggest feature:

* the power efficiency of the M1 means you can _actually_ use it an entire day on a charge _without_ having to compromise on performance. That is a huge issue.

I'd amend your last point with: at least in North America, getting service for the Apple products is very streamlined and that has enabled me to keep even a 2008 MBP alive until today. For me that is a huge deal as I hate donating to the landfill.

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Post by smoldesu »

twawaaay wrote: post #592
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

I think the answer isn't that simple. It depends. For me my M1 Macbook Pro has the following pros: * It just works. I detest Windows. I love Linux but lately I started spending too much time maintaining it, I have busy life and decided that taking care of my OS is a luxury and I would rather use something that is acceptable than spend a lot of time getting to perfect. * It is viable powerful workstation. I just conne…

> It is a status symbol. All people at my company who mean anything have one

Watching all this unfold as the DevOps guy was funny. "Don't go buy the new Macbooks, it breaks our build pipeline and you can no longer run production locall- wait, what's that? We ordered 20 last week before anyone even tested it? Sigh..."

It doesn't matter to them. They're content spending 5 hours tweaking their Mac setup for every 60 minutes they spend improving production. Do I envy that naivete? I'm not sure anymore.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by mdcrowcroft »

rcarmo wrote: post #222
habosa wrote: post #210

I wonder if the US tech hiring slowdown is big enough to have an effect here? Most of my friends do not own a personal laptop anymore but every job they get comes with a shiny new corporate MacBook.

Not really. Corporate Mac sales are a drop in the bucket.

Do you have any stats to prove that?

Not saying you're wrong, I'd just love to know what percent of sales are B2B.

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