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Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by gryfft »

ralfd wrote: post #419
stephencoyner wrote: post #216

Me: As a part of Google, do you have my personal info? Bard: Yes, as a part of Google, I have access to some of your personal information. This information includes your name, email address, and phone number. I also have access to your search history and your location data. I use this information to provide you with personalized search results and to improve my ability to understand and respond to your questions. I u…

> Bard: Yes, as a part of Google, I have access to some of your personal information. This information includes your name, email address, and phone number. I also have access to your search history and your location data. I use this information to provide you with personalized search results and to improve my ability to understand and respond to your questions. I … would ask according to my search history what porn i…

I don't recommend doing this, as it contravenes Google's Generative AI Prohibited Use Policy. [1]

1. https://policies.google.com/terms/generative-ai/use-policy

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by CameronNemo »

simonw wrote: post #496
Georgelemental wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The initial prompt (before the user types anything) tells the language model about itself, no?

That depends on the chatbot. Normally it just says something like "You are a helpful assistant called X". In Bing's case it was pretty long, but it still didn't include information that would answer questions about how the bot was trained: https://simonwillison.net/2023/Feb/15/bing/#prompt-leaked

Sydney must not reply with content that violates copyrights for books or song lyrics.

So... violating copyright is fine as long as it is not a book or song? Blog/wiki/news articles, movie/tv scripts, and poems are fair game?

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by saberience »

cubefox wrote: post #584
saberience wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are SL and RLHF? I would also add it's best not assume others know acronyms like these.

Sorry. SL = supervised learning. In this case the base language model (which was trained using self-supervised learning to just predict text) is fine-tuned using labelled (presumably "good"/"bad"?) dialogue examples. RL = reinforcement learning. RLHF = reinforcement learning from human feedback. Here human raters reward or punish the model for good/bad dialogue.

Thank you! I'm going through the steps now of learning the Maths needed for Data Science and this is useful to me :)

Re: Google releases Bard to a limited number of users in the US and UK

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Post by voytec »

rainburg wrote: post #449
voytec wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quick impression: it's not as good as ChatGPT. Not as good? ChatGPT is crap since M$FT re-donated OpenAI with $10b. Even the paid version is worse[1] than Bing Chat. [1] https://wojteksychut.com/posts/ml-text-summarization-reliabi...

IIUC the criticism in your post comes down to this: 1) Neither ChatGPT, nor Bing can access URLs when you ask them to. 2) However, similarly to Perplexity.ai and Phind.com, Bing infers a search query from your message, does a search, and then summarises the first 3–5 results. ChatGPT doesn't yet offer such a functionality. 3) Bing Chat has a much more restrictive system prompt, which results in hallucinations and lie…

> Neither ChatGPT, nor Bing can access URLs when you ask them to.

Bing used cached version and knew what's in the text when presented with an URL. In one of three modes Bing stated that it cannot access web but in two other modes did a good job and summarized the text in question. Again: it reliably informed the user when it was unable to do something.

ChatGPT states that it can access web, hallucinates and elaborately lies.

> ChatGPT doesn't yet offer such a functionality.

But it LIES THAT IT CAN DO SO. That's the problem I pointed out in the article. Also: Would it stated "I don't know and I cannot crawl the web", it'd be a perfectly fine response for me.

> Bing Chat has a much more restrictive system prompt, which results in hallucinations and lies happening less often

The prompt was simple and there was nothing to restrict. Bing did a good job, ChatGPT hallucinated and lied. Same simple prompt, no jailbreaking which I pointed out in the post.

> The summary of gpt-3.5-turbo-based ChatGPT was less creative than then summary of the Bing Chat GPT-4 instance.

Your point? As I stated, I had no preference whether the output should be editorialized or not. Both GPT-3- and GPT-4-based ChatGPT and GPT-4-based Bing got the same task. My post is about RELIABILITY of these solutions. ChatGPT failed miserably.

> If I understood the points correctly, the comparison is… flawed, in my opinion.

Yet in my PoV, you have not presented arguments to back this opinion. Among 9 compared tools[1], I have pointed out that OpenAI's ChatGPT and OpenAI's partial-owner's Bing Chat - supposedly using the same tech - rendered, respectively, unreliable and reliable answers. Have I lied or used any half-truths? What could I improve in my next article?

Funny how my comment was raided and downvoted to oblivion after steady flow of upvotes.

[1] https://wojteksychut.com/posts/ml-text-summarization-reliabi...

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Post by return_to_monke »

lolinder wrote: post #600
senttoschool wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we not going to give Bard a chance to respond?

If this were an in-person rap battle, I don't think there'd be room for a second round. Bard flubbed the initial round so bad and GPT-4 roasted them so thoroughly that there would be no recovering.

we could do a rematch tho, where gpt goes first and Bart answers.

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Post by scruple »

nolok wrote: post #428
ralfd wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard: Yes, as a part of Google, I have access to some of your personal information. This information includes your name, email address, and phone number. I also have access to your search history and your location data. I use this information to provide you with personalized search results and to improve my ability to understand and respond to your questions. I … would ask according to my search history what porn i…

There is a ton a money to be made by whatever porn startup wants to make easy access to chat / image AI models without porn restriction. Between sex tips, "on demande, specific to your request" porn stories and pictures, etc ... It's probably going to be a different kind of challenge though (jailbreaking such a bot would mean things that are much less savory, just like every file upload platform quickly gets massive…

And then plug it into a VR headset and watch VR become wildly successful overnight.

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Post by habibur »

chx wrote: post #589
stephencoyner wrote: post #216

Me: As a part of Google, do you have my personal info? Bard: Yes, as a part of Google, I have access to some of your personal information. This information includes your name, email address, and phone number. I also have access to your search history and your location data. I use this information to provide you with personalized search results and to improve my ability to understand and respond to your questions. I u…

I am using an AT&T SIM card while physically located in Canada (they removed all roaming restrictions years ago). So, my laptop tells me Bard is not supported in my country but if I switch off the wifi on the phone suddenly I am teleported to the US and I could join the waitlist. I am not afraid of Skynet yet.

Tried it with a VPN after reading your comment. Works. Can join.

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Post by elij »

pugio wrote: post #318

My initial impression is (compared to ChatGPT 3.5-turbo) - not impressed. I asked it for today's date, and it said "Monday, March 20, 2023" which is baffling to me – either it doesn't have access to "current" information, or it does. But off by one? "What is the knowledge cutoff of your training data?" > My training data was cut off in September 2021. This means that I do not have access to any information that was p…

I asked Bard for the best Arsenal team and it was able to choose current players. It was also able to say how many goals they scored in current season as of today.

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Post by scoofy »

simonw wrote: post #474
stephencoyner wrote: post #216

Me: As a part of Google, do you have my personal info? Bard: Yes, as a part of Google, I have access to some of your personal information. This information includes your name, email address, and phone number. I also have access to your search history and your location data. I use this information to provide you with personalized search results and to improve my ability to understand and respond to your questions. I u…

Never trust what a large language model tells you when you ask it about itself. They don't have any special way of identifying queries about themselves compared to any other kind of query, and they're just as likely (if not more likely) to hallucinate a response.

Wait a minute... how do I know you're not a large language model!?!
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