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Um, what is it?
Total Recall
Having never seen it, I have no context for which details were left out or bent to fit the narrative, but this still feels amazing. Well-earned sunglasses
Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
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#602Earlier quoted context omitted.
If Tesla's work is actually going somewhere, then they don't need to change the engineering to get L3 in specific places. They can have a list that gets added to over time.
Actually it would be a lot of work doing that. Even if not just work on the software itself. Something like that would cause a lot of work in literally all over the company. Also, they don't really have an inattentive to do that, so why should they.
> literally all over the company
Why? The design is locked in, the manufacturing doesn't change, you don't need the designers to do much... I would expect you need a handful of people, half of which are lawyers.
> Also, they don't really have an inattentive to do that, so why should they.
I'm pretty sure almost all Tesla owners would like the ability to stop looking at the road some of the time. That amount of customer satisfaction is not a motivation for the company?
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Your Tesla tells you you're a safe driver. Well, geez, I'm convinced that the $55,000 (maybe+?) you spent tells you things you like to hear. I mean, one of the criteria is "Late Night Driving". Why not driving between the hours of 4pm and 6pm? When there are a lot more cars on the road, which is just statistically less safe. https://www.tesla.com/support/safety-score#version-1.2 And looking at the rest of the criteri…
The Tesla doesn't just tell me I'm a safe driver, it also gives me a cheaper insurance rate due to the safe driving. The safety score is related to my monthly insurance premium. So maybe it's to stroke my ego? But they're also putting their proverbial money where their mouth is.
The insurance you get from Tesla, which has a vested interest in its own Safety Score. It's not giving a cheaper insurance rate "due to the safe driving", it's giving a cheaper rate due to having a better score on the metrics it decided.
You see how that's circular, right. It does not mean you are a safe driver.
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#604There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.
I owned three Toyotas for last 7 years. I had multiple recalls but except one of them every other one was software update.
OTA updates are cool but they more complexity to the car. I like my cars to be simple and reliable instead.
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FSD requires you to be 100% in control of the vehicle for the entire drive, and paying full attention to the driving, and also do nothing. This is demonstrably not a task that anyone can do, let alone Joa[n] Average car driver. Highly trained pilots are not expected to do that, and that's when autopilot is being used in a vehicle that can provide significant amounts of time to handle the autopilot going wrong - serio…
> Joa[n] nit: Jo[a]n
nooooo! :D
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#606I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
Why do you hate the idea of going to Mars so much? https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm I would love to go there, even if it meant I died the second I step foot on it. Getting back would be the last thing on my mind.
> Why do you hate the idea of going to Mars so much?
Because there is so much to do on earth? Literally everyone is here. What other answer does anyone else need? All this Mars fandom sounds to me like clinically depressed sci-fi.
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It uses maps for that. I have a winding road near me with a speed limit of 35 mph, but 15 mph on certain curves as indicated by a speed limit sign. It ignores those speed limit signs and will attempt to make the turns at 35 mph resulting in it wildly swerving into the other lane and around a blind turn with maybe 30 feet of visibility. It has also attempted to do it so poorly that it would have driven across the lane…
I'm talking about standard speed limit signs. You're talking about the signs that warn about sharp turns and advise maximum speeds. Yes it would be good if the software understood those signs, but that's a different issue. Teslas definitely read speed limit signs. I've had mine correctly detect and follow speed limits in areas without connectivity or map data. It also follows speed limits on private drives (if there…
These are not the speed limit signs you are looking for!
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#608I generally root for Tesla as a former underdog who lit the fire under the asses of stagnating manufacturers, but, seeing videos of FSD in action, I'm fully on the side of people who think that calling it FSD should be considered fraud. Given how much time and data they had so far, and the state it's in, it really makes news like Zoox getting a testing permit for public roads, without any manual controls in the vehic…
Unlike Tesla, Mercedes will take responsibility if level-3 autonomous system is malfunctioning. If I ever get an autonomous vehicle this will be the main deciding factor.
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Ha, my new Model 3 phantom braked the first time on the trip home from the service center, which was only 10 miles. I doubt it had even gone over 10 miles on the odometer at that moment.
How were you able to put it into autopilot? Typically, the autopilot is calibrating itself the first 60 or so miles of driving, and it does not let you engage it.
My 2022 Model Y didn't require any calibration to use autopilot after initially picking it up. IIRC there were 7 miles on the odometer at the time.
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Do you have actual knowlage of Tesla internal QA processes, any kind of source at all? Based on there presentation, they for sure have a whole load of tests, many built directly from real world situation that the car has to handle. They simulate sensor input based on the simulation and check the car does the right thing. They very likely have some internal test drivers and before the software goes public it goes to t…
> We have many real world example of videos where other cars would have killed somebody and the Tesla stopped based on image recognition. I think you and I must've watched a different video.
Yes I have also seen many videos where it makes mistakes. But also many where it prevented them.