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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by sorry_outta_gas »

npteljes wrote: post #467
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

>it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. Not really I think, considering that MS bought GitHub, with all of its already existing culture. I see this move as them homogenizing the infrastructure. And also not willing to pay to another company for a product that's actually their competition.

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by sorry_outta_gas »

ss108 wrote: post #95
nkotov wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to use Teams for a couple of months with a client. It's not great but it's not terrible. I do miss days of Zoom but I opened it recently and found apps listed during the call of sudden - felt like bloatware.

Not sure what you missed about Zoom. It's works, but doesn't feel smooth and seems to have a very big footprint for something with a specific use-case. In particular, my day job is at a big corpo office space style place, and the software that requires the most updates is Zoom. I don't get why. It's also a lot less simple to use than Google Meet

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by djha-skin »

quicklime wrote: post #564
javier123454321 wrote: post #289

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I simply don't understand this at all. I've used in 3 of my last workplaces. Two exclusively and one in addition to slack. No particular complaints for having internal meetings of any size. I literally do not know what you are talking about and feel like I am missing something.

I've found Teams acceptable for video calls, including large-scale ones. Some of the Office integration is quite nice, e.g. PowerPoint Live. But what I really hate about it is the chat functionality. Very basic person-to-person DMs work ok, but it doesn't scale up to larger groups. Some UI complaints: - When someone messages a group that you're part of, you get a notification. This makes it hard to distinguish betwee…

I appreciate this comment because it is one of the few I have found that succinctly puts a finger on why people hate Teams so much. People say it's awful but they don't explain why.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by grumpyprole »

generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

> Just an awful product all around

It's all relative, anyone that's been forced to use "Skype for Business", would welcome Teams with open arms.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by userbinator »

luckman212 wrote: post #584
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

It's boring reading comments like these. Really? 2.5 years of " nothing but poor experiences"? I have to ask: what the hell is wrong with your computer? I started using Teams heavily in 2020 and yes, back then it was unequivocally the worst of the bunch. But I've seen it make great strides, and it's been many months, perhaps years since I've really had any problems with it. Audio, video, screen sharing, PSTN dial-in,…

I have to ask: what the hell is wrong with your perception?

What other IM/AV applications have you used before, and on what hardware?

If you've never seen better, it's not surprising that you'd think Teams is good.

I vividly remember that 20 years ago there was MSN Messenger, and the experience was far better than that of Teams on hardware at least an order of magnitude less powerful. After that was (pre-MS) Skype, which was also not that bad.

Teams is an absolute pig in comparison. It works --- just barely. Audio and video calls are probably what it does best, and "best" is relative. For IM, it's beyond horrible.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by vineyardmike »

nl wrote: post #576
airpoint wrote: post #508

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Curious now, which one would you say is the most troublesome in your experience out of those three then? And why…

Not the OP, but Jitsi is terrible. For me, ranked: Zoom Google Meet Discord Slack Teams Anything else

> Jitsi is terrible.

But it gets points for being open source and self hostable. I appreciate that.

For me, it’s

Google Meet (best UI, I like the waiting room, etc)

Amazon Chime (I like the ringing features, integrated chat)

Jitsi (OSS etc)

Zoom (It’s ok, yes, but the company is questionable and the UI is so so)

Etc

Teams (never used tbh, but I used corporate Skype before rebranding and it never worked right)

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by nl »

vineyardmike wrote: post #607
nl wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the OP, but Jitsi is terrible. For me, ranked: Zoom Google Meet Discord Slack Teams Anything else

> Jitsi is terrible. But it gets points for being open source and self hostable. I appreciate that. For me, it’s Google Meet (best UI, I like the waiting room, etc) Amazon Chime (I like the ringing features, integrated chat) Jitsi (OSS etc) Zoom (It’s ok, yes, but the company is questionable and the UI is so so) Etc Teams (never used tbh, but I used corporate Skype before rebranding and it never worked right)

I'm too old to put up with software that doesn't work sorely because it is open source.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by zrobotics »

generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

I have a surface pro 7,running windows 11. Video calls in teams will reliably cause an actual BSOD (blue screen of death for the younger readers) , and my other coworker with the same hardware experiences the same issue. I don't have issues in zoom or Google meet, but teams video calls will reliably cause an honest to God BSOD. The first couple of times it happened I was a little bit nostalgic, I hadn't seen that since XP and even with XP it was rare.

I don't know how I could have a better environment to run teams, I'm using Microsoft hardware, running a Microsoft camera driver, on a Microsoft OS, using a Microsoft messaging platform. Absolutely ridiculous, thankfully we only have one external vendor who uses teams. Ironically, that vendor is an oracle provider, so their whole existence just revolves around hideous software.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by analog31 »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #565
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

> it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. Most people, when they get comfortable with something, are averse to change. Even if the thing they would change to is better than what they have , they still won't want to learn a new thing. Not saying that's the case here. But without real data to lead a decision, people just do what they prefer, rather than what's better. (I use both Slack and Teams…

People love change. Look how Google, Amazon, and social media took the world by storm. And pocket calculators, smart phones, large screen TV's, the list goes on.

People like changes that benefit them. On the other hand, probably the #1 user request for enterprise software is: Please don't change anything. This tells you something about the software. Common reasons are:

* The last major change broke everything and we couldn't do our jobs for weeks.

* The new system has nobody to help us when there's a problem.

* All of our files / contacts / messages disappeared, or we can't find them any more.

* Meanwhile, we're still expected to keep up the pace of work.

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