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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by msla »

erulabs wrote: post #396
ben_w wrote: post #372

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Being cancelled is the smallest possible increment I am aware of over being heckled. It is the necessary other side of the same coin as freedom of speech, otherwise you end up with the literal Republican party being legally obligated to let the literal Communist Party of the USA (not a euphemism for the Democrats) lecture them during their Primaries.

Somewhere in the vast distances between being heckled and being cancelled is a sturdy but forgotten old shack named constructive criticism. Inside, all the great things in this world were born.

Except, for you, the whole purpose of art is to engender a reaction, and being banned is certainly a reaction.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mftrhu »

f154hfds wrote: post #580
crote wrote: post #531

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One thing to keep in mind is that the opposite is happening here. With transgender people, the "original" state is unnatural. Medical treatment fixes this mismatch by making the body match the brain. It is a voluntary treatment with an extremely high success rate and negligible regret rates. As far as I can tell, there is zero evidence that any remaining issues are caused by the treatment itself. All evidence points…

What did transgender people do before the treatments and therapies? How did they live in their original state all their lives without our medical interventions? Do we know that the treatments help in the sense that treated people commit suicide less than untreated people before the treatments were available?

> What did transgender people do before the treatments and therapies? How did they live in their original state all their lives without our medical interventions?

What did diabetics do before treatment and therapies? People with asthma, myopia, or really any other health issue? What does it matter?

> Do we know that the treatments help in the sense that treated people commit suicide less than untreated people before the treatments were available?

Why do we need to know that? What's the point of it? We don't evaluate effectiveness of any treatment by comparing current data with likely non-existent, pre-treatment (read: more than a century old, in this case) data.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by braingenious »

freejazz wrote: post #553
xcxs wrote: post #551

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What do you mean its a familiar pattern? What do you mean better explanation? You don't have an explanation, you just have a pejorative descriptor... I'm genuinely uninterested in post-battling somebody who seems to have an axe to grind over this.

This person created an account just to anonymously post decade-old recycled *channer content. It’s pointless to ask a question that can’t be answered by feverishly searching old greentext, as low-effort trolls can’t actually form opinions of their own

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by rajup »

charcircuit wrote: post #428
rajup wrote: post #306

I can't find any details (at least in TFA), what exactly was this joke? I would not trust a private company's judgement on what is "offensive", given the innumerable instances of them proving incapable of accurate judgement of such a thing using automated systems.

"Anyone have any suggestions? I'm thinking about doing a bit about how being transgender is actually a mental illness. Or how all liberals are secretly gay and want to impose their will on everyone. Or something about how transgender people are ruining the fabric of society. But no one is laughing so I'm going to stop. Thanks for coming out to tonight. See you."

Thank you.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by rittle »

Slighted wrote: post #585
a_shovel wrote: post #570

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I'd like to help you understand why some people might get upset at some of the things you're talking about. > but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide When trans people and trans-friendly people get mad at statements like this, they're usually getting mad at the insinuation that they somehow bear…

Trans people and trans-friendly people subscribe to his research though, which is the issue. John Money was responsible himself and only himself for what he did. Its obvious that his experimentation was cruel and a complete failure, so with that in mind why use his completely bogus, stupid term "gender" to describe (validate) themselves and human sexuality? >I've seen some accusations like this. Every time, the drag…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by xwdv »

a_shovel wrote: post #587
xwdv wrote: post #573

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Please help me understand, if gender doesn’t exist because it’s an abstract concept created by society, is all transgenderism basically just rooted in rebelling against how society has defined genders? Without gender there can’t really be transgenders? If so, this could explain in my mind why they don’t respond well to jokes: they are actively engaged in a war with society that they are trying to win on all fronts. T…

I don't know what you're referring to by "transgenderism". "Being transgender" is when one's gender identity doesn't match the one assigned to them at birth. Some of them do the whole "war against gender" thing; a lot of them just want everyone else to stop making such a big deal out of it and let them take their hormones in peace. I'm in some communities with a lot of trans people in them, and in my experience there…

“Gender identity” isn’t actually real. Biology doesn’t assign you a gender, it just gives you male or female organs. The “gender identity” is how a person with certain organs should behave in society.

So to be transgender, may not actually mean you want to physically be the opposite sex, it means you simply want to play a different role than what society says you should be. In essence, to be transgender is to be in opposition to society, not necessarily biology.

Therefore, a transgender is nothing more than a rebel, wanting to go against the norms of society, and now I see why people find them so repulsive, and why a transgender cannot take a trans joke told by a straight laced person.

It also means anyone can become a transgender in any moment, all you need is to find a desire to be the opposite role, and believe it in your heart to be true. Unlike homosexuality, this can be influenced.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mftrhu »

Slighted wrote: post #585
a_shovel wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to help you understand why some people might get upset at some of the things you're talking about. > but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide When trans people and trans-friendly people get mad at statements like this, they're usually getting mad at the insinuation that they somehow bear…

Trans people and trans-friendly people subscribe to his research though, which is the issue. John Money was responsible himself and only himself for what he did. Its obvious that his experimentation was cruel and a complete failure, so with that in mind why use his completely bogus, stupid term "gender" to describe (validate) themselves and human sexuality? >I've seen some accusations like this. Every time, the drag…

Fractal wrongness. Fascinating.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by a_shovel »

Slighted wrote: post #585
a_shovel wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to help you understand why some people might get upset at some of the things you're talking about. > but the second you point out things like the word "gender" being coined by a pedophile called John Money whos human test subjects eventually both committed suicide When trans people and trans-friendly people get mad at statements like this, they're usually getting mad at the insinuation that they somehow bear…

Trans people and trans-friendly people subscribe to his research though, which is the issue. John Money was responsible himself and only himself for what he did. Its obvious that his experimentation was cruel and a complete failure, so with that in mind why use his completely bogus, stupid term "gender" to describe (validate) themselves and human sexuality? >I've seen some accusations like this. Every time, the drag…

A lot of the terminology Money coined is still in use because it is perfectly serviceable and it describes the experience of many trans people decently well. Ultimately, the validity of an idea is not dependent on whether the person who first proposed it was a horrible bastard or not.

> "It's not gonna lick itself" and men in fishnets running around

Everyone in that video is more covered up than any woman at the beach, and if innuendo that kids won't understand is unacceptable to you, then basicly every animated kids' movie from the past twenty years would disagree.

> please go read /r/detrans

Please go read these statistics. https://journals.lww.com/prsgo/fulltext/2021/03000/regret_af...

There's a trend of anti-trans detrans people (this distinction is necessary, as not all detransitioned people hold the same opinions as those on /r/detrans) who describe genital surgery in a way completely different from what transgender people report. "Neo-vaginas" do not "fester", they don't require "lifelong" dilation, and those who've spoken about it assure us that they are perfectly functional for all relevant purposes (if you know what I mean).

> Its obvious that "validating" them is only a minimal, temporary solution, if even that.

Here's another study for you to read. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Sometimes we have to make do with anecdotes when there isn't enough data on a topic, but "is gender-affirming healthcare beneficial" is absolutely not one of those topics.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ekleraki »

adamrezich wrote: post #597
ekleraki wrote: post #586

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I am asking you, as a trans person fearing for their life, how i should call the people i am terrified of, the people who seem to hate me for my mere existence without ever interacting with me, who have already decided that i am going to hell and seem to want to help me go there sooner. I do have friends with different political beliefs. They don’t know about my “status”, they have expressed horrific comments about L…

why would I reply in earnest when you've already insulted me and the entire sort of state I live in? how can you go from that, and bringing up all these different tenuously-connected names and issues, to genuinely asking what I think you should do given the situation you find yourself in, knowing full well that you'll take offense to basically anything I have to say, for one reason or another? what could I possibly s…

Nothing I could express will ever be satisfying enough to convince, let alone persuade you into responding earnestly.

Whether you respond to me it’s entirely up to you… you need to choose to believe that people can change, as I have changed … you have to choose, despite all odds, to try to do the right thing, not just now, but every time, despite how difficult it may be, despite how disappointing the expected result may be, you have to choose to believe in people..

I have opened my heart, i have expressed my deepest fears.. I have been crying all the way from work to my home… i want to believe in people…

I want to believe that people can look past what makes me “different”, and look at me as a person struggling to live with their circumstances, trying to live an honest life and be a good person…

I am only human, I am terrified, and I am sorry.

I just want to live… for the first time I have a reason to and i am terrified that i will get beat or worse…

You have no reason to… you need to choose, to choose to leap into faith.

If you choose not to, I want you to know that I am sorry, and .. I understand why you chose not to. I’d have probably done the same.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mensetmanusman »

paganel wrote: post #470
GenerocUsername wrote: post #427

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Would it have been transphobic if the sentence had been prefixed with 'some people say...' At a certain level AI trained on inputs is just a big 'some people say' box.

People saying transphobic stuff are indeed transphobic.

That assumes an objective ruler who defines what is transphobic.
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