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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by davnn »

sfusato wrote: post #7

Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends booster does for 5+ [5]. "The (Florida) State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old." [6] [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p... [1] https://www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Va…

In Austria, the booster was mandatory (otherwise you would not be allowed to participate in any social life) even for young people.

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Post by walterbell »

ralusek wrote: post #591
walterbell wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Moderna's booster volume of antigen was reduced by 50% compared to the original vaccine, while Pfizer's booster volume was unchanged from the original vaccine, https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine-eua/providers/dosin...

Moderna doesn't have volume of antigen at all, the dose is of mRNA contained in liquid nano particles. Moderna did reduce its dose for the booster, but its original dose was also 3x that of Pfizer.

Any idea what motivated the reduction in Moderna dosage?

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Post by puffoflogic »

root_axis wrote: post #378
phtrivier wrote: post #311

Just so we now for next time: what is the proper way to express concerns about _this_ kind of things with enough nuance and moderation so as not to be automatically considered an anti-scientist tin foil hat ? What is the scientifically acceptable way to phrase "I'm not concerned about BigPharma planting 5G chips in my future children's eyeballs to turn them into communist ; but I'm very concerned about blind spots du…

> what is the proper way to express concerns about _this_ kind of things with enough nuance and moderation so as not to be automatically considered an anti-scientist tin foil hat ? The nuance is key. Frankly, I don't recall much in the way of nuance, I pretty much always saw concern about vaccines framed as a battle for freedom against a tyrannical political party.

> I pretty much always saw concern about vaccines framed as a battle for freedom against a tyrannical political party

You don't understand why someone with concerns about the safety of a vaccine might frame the problem not as the existence of a vaccine with tradeoffs other people might want to make, but rather as a political party forcing the decision on everyone? Or are you just being disingenuous? Be better.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by ldh0011 »

A lot of the discussion on vaccine merit here seems to be exclusively around the relative risks of getting myocarditis for vaccinated, unvaccinated+covid, and vaccinated+covid. I've seen a few different studies linked that point to different results. Some indicate higher risk for unvaccinated+covid than vaccinated for all groups, some indicate the risk of myocarditis in young males (my demographic, fwiw) is higher from vaccines than from covid.

I don't really understand why so much focus is put on myocarditis though when it seems to be incredibly rare for all groups. This was a covid vaccine, not a myocarditis vaccine. Given the other negative effects of covid that are well documented, and especially the possibility of long-term debilitation from covid, I'd have felt secure in getting the vaccine even if I'd known at the time of getting it that it increased the risk of myocarditis by say a whole order of magnitude (which as far as I can tell isn't the case). That said, I don't think it should have been mandated and my gut feeling is that more people would have been convinced of its efficacy had it not been.

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Post by puffoflogic »

andrewflnr wrote: post #597
alerighi wrote: post #165

I think that all this COVID stuff was everything opposite than using science, starting from the people, including government, taking of "trusting science". Science is not a religion, and we don't have to believe in it. Instead we need to be critic, conduct experiments, evaluate our thesis, put everything into discussion. Something we didn't, because you are a fool if you have doubts about vaccines, if you talk about…

Masses of people are, to all appearance anyway, incapable of understanding anything even as slightly nuanced as "vaccines are probably a worthwhile risk compared to COVID as we understand it today". It gets flattened to one of "vaccines are 100% safe, you must take them" or "vaccines are evil, you must not take them". I really hope that's only an appearance, that we can learn to do better, because otherwise civilizat…

And if the truth was actually "vaccines are probably not a worthwhile risk for a young adult without comorbidities?" Would that change your analysis? Or did you just feel the need to prove your COVID orthodoxy?

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Post by robomartin »

blacksqr wrote: post #472
robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

>Obamacare, which was forced upon us The ACA individual mandate penalty was eliminated in 2017.

> The ACA individual mandate penalty was eliminated in 2017.

The ACA destroyed the prior insurance market. There is no way we can get what we had before for $650, in terms of cost, coverage and quality of care.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by puffoflogic »

russdill wrote: post #446
dayvid wrote: post #388

My main question is if the vaccine side effects are just a much milder version of what would happen if you got COVID as opposed to something vaccine specific. If that's the case, then there would be more myocarditis issues from people not vaccinating. I haven't received a straight answer on this.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.... "Myocarditis is more common after severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination, but the risks in younger people and after sequential vaccine doses are less certain." The study size is 43M people.

Attaching that quote to that study, without the appropriate context, is disinformation.

The study didn't look at the risk of COVID infection in unvaccinated individuals. All this study proved is that COVID infection can trigger cardiovascular issues in vaccinated people. It doesn't indicate in any way that the cardiovascular issues were caused by COVID instead of the vaccine. You'd have to look at infected-but-not-vaccinated patients to have even a hope of answering that question.

Of course, the study was essentially designed to elicit that disinformative quote, so I guess that means you're not entirely to blame...?

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Post by jesterson »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

It boggles my mind that despite inflicting obvious and severe harm on your very own kids, people still believe in "vaccines". Let alone $10k.

Chances you kid would have gotten any troubles from covid are statistically absolutely negligible, given his age and hopefully absence of other illnesses.

Now you can blame as anti-vaxxer and sorts, but at least I didn't get myocarditis.

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Post by scoofy »

nonethewiser wrote: post #457
shadowgovt wrote: post #373

If the risk of myocarditis after covid vaccination is lower than the risk of hospitalization due to covid infection, mandating vaccination is still good public policy. It ultimately shifts the risk around, it is true, but it still improves the odds of survival for the people who will contract myocarditis also, because there was significant risk of covid crashing the medical infrastructure. This is the part of the sto…

The question is whether or not you can ever morally coerce someone to inject something into their body.

This was never in question. What was being debated was "Can we coerce people to inject something into their body if they want to continue to have normal day-to-day interactions with their community.

We live with a social contract. The entirety of the state is build on mutual trust. There are avenues to people who are willing to put their neighbors at serious risk because they don't want to inject something, and that's fine.

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