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What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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> I'm looking at you JIRA... I always see this comment on HN, I think I have been using Jira for a decade, never really had any major complaints.

If you guys think JIRA is bad you should check out BMC Remedy...

If you want to go further back in time you can check out IBM DOORS. Though it does have some great features you see shoehorned into Jira these days.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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My very first job when I was 16 was helping Canada Post move data from their old VAX mainframe system into SAP. This was over 21 years ago. The answer to the second part of the title question is: because it is now so deeply entrenched in huge corporate infrastructure.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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Gartner has at least one thing down that I believe is “the way” - they call it “postmodern ERP”. [0] In a postmodern ERP there is no ERP. It’s a strategy where you accept that different domains and companies know their business and processes best and you integrate best of breed systems & services with homegrown solutions. You trade the convenience of letting SAP or Salesforce own your processes against flexibility an…

Jeez, don't mention Gartner. If I see another $%&" "magic quadrant" in my life it'll be too soon.

What's the problem with Gartner? According to them we would be out of work and biz peps high on milky-way charts can accomplish anything with mouse clicks.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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SAP, Oracle, Salesforce. They all have absolutely awful UX. They dominated their spaces because they bought tons of companies and bolted crap onto their main offering. Then they have the snakiest and most aggressive sales teams. They are just AWFUL and it’s a real shame that no startups have been able to challenge their dominance.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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PeopleSoft is now replaced by Workday.

PeopleSoft became part of Oracle (and now uses the Oracle brand) and some of their people left and founded Workday.

What I meant is most of the Large Organizations are now using Workday which is a SaaS based solution and generally considered modern version of PeopleSoft on the HR solutions side. Many large companies are also moving away from SAP and Oracle on ERP side of things to Workday Financials too but at a slower pace.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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I don't think we need a study to show the obvious outcome when you set up incentives in certain ways.

Then we're no longer making evidence-based policy. That's just hypothesis-based policy. And unfortunately, humans are reallllly good at rationalizing whatever hypothesis suits their biases.

I’ll need evidence for that claim.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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I worked in public accounting with some major corporations as clients. Every single company I interacted with used SAP. It is the de facto software in its field and is deeply entrenched. Its UX is the most horribly wicked thing I’ve ever come across. We would conduct walkthroughs with process control owners that showed us what they would do in SAP to perform their job functions, and it would take multiple, intelligen…

20 years ago I was a grad assistant for a couple of professors who'd built a pretty incredible JIT supply chain platform. The US Army started using it to manage their uniform orders and it worked so well that two entire warehouses were torn down due to lack of use. A new general came in and insisted on using SAP. 6 months later, they had to rebuild both warehouses. EDIT: For some additional context, the system manage…

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Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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Here's a link to a report that has a lot more information about the system: https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA393599.pdf

How in the world did y’all find that? I saw it posted below. The system was/is called Balanced Flow.

3rd link (for me): https://www.google.com/search?q=Clemson+Apparel+Research
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