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The case for bad coffee (2015)

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Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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I also like cafe du monde. I just had some pecan praline coffee that was amazing. Bottom shelf of the grocery store. I only got it because nothing else was on sale... It might be my new go-to for a while. Give it a shot if you can find it

Sorry everyone but this thread is starting to sound like this https://youtu.be/4ZK8Z8hulFg

There are so many levels of irony with your choice to respond with this meme, in this thread, on this HN post.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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To everyone replying with their coffee preferences, you may be missing the point. This post isn’t about coffee, it’s about people and experiences in life being more important than products. It’s about a product’s quality being defined not by its substance but by its reminder of things that can’t be purchased. It’s one of the most beautiful posts I’ve seen in a long time. Hope you look beyond the coffee. Edit: Hope I…

I think food in general is common ground that pulls everyone together.

I've had lots of interesting discussions around the subject of coffee.

Btw, I drink coffee black now, and my circuitous coffee journey led me to cold brew coffee, which is mellow and not acid/bitter.

Have you tried cold brew?

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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So, they're just fleecing right-wingers by marketing them anything that's opposite to "the liberals"? I can't imagine making my coffee, beverage, or food preferences based on political affiliation.

The right wing are incredibly easy to market to. Some of the products I've seen shilled almost exclusively to that market are hilarious. One of my favourites is a certain "gold subscription" service, where you sign up for X$/month, and every time you have paid enough in to cover the cost of an amount of literal gold, they send you the gold. I did some calculations at the time based on my own purchasing of gold in the…

Why do you think that might be?

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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no way! i drink exclusively light roast espresso. yes, the sourness is pretty much always there. but there's blueberry (my personal favorite), red berries, tea, lemon, cinnamon. getting a balanced light roast espresso requires going much higher ratio to get a high enough extraction. try upping the temp to 95*C and go for 1:3 or higher.

I've tried and tried to experience the flavor notes you mention across many different coffees from many different roasters, all sorts of brewing methods and settings, but cannot. I can taste sour, burnt, and something in the middle that I really like, and that's about it. Not a scientific experiment by any means, but there seems to be more people like me who cannot taste these flavors in coffee than you.

i highly recommend cupping coffee, or at least trying 2-4 different coffees at the same time. you have to compare them side by side, that's where the notes make themselves apparent. trying only one at a time will not be sufficient as the differences can be subtle when recalled only from memory.

believe me, i don't have a super palette and have a hard time finding the right notes myself. you can try tasting while looking at the SCA coffee wheel[1], using the inner ring for broad categories.

[1] https://notbadcoffee.com/flavor-wheel-en/

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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A few months ago I got the electric kettle and quit using the microwave to heat water, which I pour over WalMart 100% Arabica medium dark roast instant coffee, the best reasonably-priced instant I've ever had. Even my eldest son, who was recently gifted a Chemex and several bricks of Cafe Bustelo, finds himself more often firing up the electric kettle and pouring it over instant instead of nursing the beans. The kettle is a little slower, but quieter, not a god-awful microwave roar ending with the insistent hey-I'm-done beep, but a gradually escalating rumble of heating water followed by stream-like bubbling and ending with a click as the kettle turns off. I have time to peruse email on my phone, alone for a few minutes in the kitchen before bringing fresh mugs out to my wife and myself.

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An Americano is a normal cup of coffee with a large amount of water added. It's like a medium-strong tea. I was under the impression it was called that as some sort of disparagement of the US. Is this actually what is regularly consumed there?

An Americano is a normal cup of ESPRESSO with water added. It's a common drink in north american cafes and is similar to a "long black" in Australia and other places. Supposedly it's called that because GIs in Italy during WWII would get it/do it because they wanted a larger cup of coffee. Most coffee in the North America is drip which has a similar strength to an Americano. If you go to a Dunkin' Donuts, Tim Hortons…

Where I come from, and Americano is the only quick and easy way to get decaf; a pour-over takes to long, and an Americano with cream is just perfect in the afternoon.

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It’s consistent. I can be very happy getting an Americano in Austin and an Americano in Boston and know i’m getting a comfortable cup of coffee. I do appreciate the specialty roasters we have here.. but i don’t need to hate on starbucks - other than the ones that treat their employees like crap

Starbucks is like McDonalds, but for coffee instead of burgers. I dunno, I don’t need my coffee super fancy, but I do need it conveniently located right next to my office.

This is the correct answer (to whatever the question was). I'm no great connoisseur (see my reply re: Walmart instant), but Starbucks is convenient, consistent and acceptable. And I generally like the people who work there as well.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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Perhaps. But that's how Starbucks works, by buying shitty beans and dark roasting them. It also makes it easier to have consistent coffee (consistently burnt, that is).

Starbucks Pike Place beans are fantastic. Don't know what your talking about. And I've tried numerous "specialty" beans.

I've always considered Pike Place Roast the worst beans that Starbucks ever foisted upon their trusting customer base; the fact that it's the only one brewed all day is an affront to decency (but that's just me). The best is Christmas Blend.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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I mean a really light roast ends up having little flavor besides sour, if you're talking espresso.

no way! i drink exclusively light roast espresso. yes, the sourness is pretty much always there. but there's blueberry (my personal favorite), red berries, tea, lemon, cinnamon. getting a balanced light roast espresso requires going much higher ratio to get a high enough extraction. try upping the temp to 95*C and go for 1:3 or higher.

Maybe I've just had a few bad light roasts? It seems like really light sour roasts are really trendy with additives that cover up or mesh with the taste. Cappuccino/Mocha etc.

I'll keep trying it because I do quite enjoy bitter and roasted flavors but the straight light-roasted espresso I got most recently was verging on undrinkable.

Re: The case for bad coffee (2015)

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Great coffee is one of those things that doesn't scale. It requires labor at every stage. Expensive and slow. Getting OK coffee scales wonderfully. Easy and cheap. You can still get tired of great coffee, or at least start to feel like it's routine rather than pleasant. I just feel like there are vetter things to spend time on that are more intellectually rewarding. Learning an old craft, or music, or reading a book.…

Great coffee can be commonly had, just probably not provided by a single vertically integrated entity. Here in Australia, we have hundreds of independent roasters, each supplying anything from a handful to hundreds of independent cafes each. It works well - you don’t go to a chain here expecting good coffee, if you’re somewhere you’re not familiar with, you just jump in Google Maps or something to find a decently rat…

I think you missed the point. Making coffee at home means counter space, machine maintenance, and keeping a stock of freshly-roasted beans. A trip to a cafe, ordering, and waiting, and going back is a minimum of 15 minutes (maybe if it's close and not busy you can do it in ten?).

Instant is less than 30 seconds and easy to keep stocked.

It sounds like you enjoy the ritual, so it's not wasted time. But it's not convenient for everyone every day.

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