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The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by InDemoVeritas »

elvis10ten wrote: post #540
codebje wrote: post #529

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I am a mere vegetarian but I justify it by aiming for generally better, not perfect. (Also I adopted my cat about a decade before I became a vegetarian, it doesn't seem morally superior to destroy her because I had a change of heart.)

I see. I eat meat and I know about the issues (health wise and environmentally). I’m trending towards less, largely for health reasons. My ideal world (in my head) is that human beings don’t interfere with animals at all (to eat, as pets, to showcase). We should interfere in only cases where it’s critical (like a natural disaster treating animals). Is there a word for this viewpoint?

I live with and care for a dog. We are coevolved species. Your frame of ‘owning’a pet is not shared by all.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by pvg »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #593
pvg wrote: post #590

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To say 'Au contraire' you have to provide some sort of meaningful counter-argument. You have 'comedy' youtube videos, oddly overwrought bombast ('dictator', 'agenda') and something about a completely different phrase which, unlike 'Karen', is not intended as an insult. Directing tropey slurs at people is mostly not ok on HN and it's been moderated like that for ages. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefi…

> Directing tropey slurs at people is mostly not ok on HN and it's been moderated like that for ages. I've provided numerous examples of how it isn't restricted to a specific group and is instead aimed at behaviors. It is quite similar to the word milquetoast. A mild pejorative aimed at a behavior. Please stop reaching and trying to conflate it with racial or ethnic slurs.

The 'examples' obviously don't fit HN at all and beside you, nobody has mentioned racial or ethnic slurs nor made any argument the word should be treated here in some way that's different from the way it's widely interpreted. That seems more reach-y and redefin-y than simply asking people not to be trope-wielding jerks on HN.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by horns4lyfe »

nisegami wrote: post #578
silversmith wrote: post #550

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While the quoted poster appears to be getting their news straight from Kremlin, there is something to consider: the average russian is VERY experienced in taking abuse. We're talking about a country where around fifth of the population does not have access to indoor plumbing. Only couple of the largest cities there have living standards comparable to what average HN poster would consider livable. This whole thing is…

>I want my kids to worry about global warming, not global warming and when's the next time the neighbours re-discover their imperial ambitions. I just can't fathom why people bring children into this world knowing they will face existential crises.

At whatever time you were born, there were “existential threats”, and yet here you are.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by [deleted] »

mike_d wrote: post #531
Mikeb85 wrote: post #519

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> There's likely an optimal level of meat consumption. Just going to go out on a limb and say the optimal level is probably less than the typical North American or European diet... Societies that are more resource constrained eat a lot less meat.

> Societies that are more resource constrained eat a lot less meat. They also lag the life expectancy curve by about 10 years. There are a lot of factors at play obviously, but the universal trend is richer countries have better medical care, education, and more complete diets.

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Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by spywaregorilla »

giantg2 wrote: post #458
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #428

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in that case, it would be russia starting ww3, and I don't think they will.

I agree, but they will spin it from their prospective to say Han, I mean we, shot first.

But there is no spin. There's either global thermonuclear war or there's nothing. If NATO isn't invading Russia, and Russia isn't invading NATO, then nothing has changed.

Does Russia want to start global thermonuclear war because they can argue a technicality that it's not their fault? No, I don't think so. They could start the war and the outcome would be the same at any time they want.

Excusing the edge case of a pathetic attempt of a land invasion of Finland or Poland or something crazy.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

woojoo666 wrote: post #504
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #472

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not to speak of individuals like those listed, but you cannot, in fact, trust most youtubers the vast majority of them have no independent editorial team with a track record of credibility

I'm well aware of the general quality (or lack thereof) on Youtube, but that's why I gave a few examples of good Youtubers that also use patreon/referral links. Point being, I don't see a good reason to specifically call out iceagefarmer for having vested interest in saying what they say

it sounds like you and I agree with each other :)

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

haerra wrote: post #597
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #586

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Yes, russia is engaged in many actions that make clear that they are perpetrating a genocide, such as: - literally saying Ukraine should not exist - saying Ukrainians aren't a real people, just russians - planning to solve "The Ukraine Question" (yes, phrased by the Kremlin just as another dictator phrased "The Jewish Question") - planning to end Ukraine as a country and split up the land between themselves and other…

I am sure You have your rightful reasons for this anger, I am sure a lot of people do. I mean, even when You write 'Russia', 'Putin', You purposefully write without capital letters. Maybe time will tell that, despite your anger, You are right. But I sure pray to God that You are not, and that it hasn't/won't come to that.

Heya, since HN is a worldwide website, I think language or locale differences may have led you to misunderstand my post.

The post actually does not contain anger, and is a well researched list of things russia actually has done and is doing.

As well, since they are facts, and not emotion, and since those facts together (even 2 or 3 of them alone, much less all of them taken together) constitute genocide, my own rightness or wrongness is irrelevant to the fact that russia is engaging in genocide.

Though Ukrainians are no doubt thankful of prayers for them in the face of russia's genocide, and your sympathy for them is no doubt appreciated, so thank you <3

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by lazide »

geoka9 wrote: post #525
lazide wrote: post #257

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Make sure to pack some fiber though too! They'll plug you up something fierce if you eat them a lot.

Bran is cheap and should last a long time.

For sure. When making my emergency kit (my oldest has severe food allergies and I live in a major earthquake zone), I ran across some issues with things with high fat content though (which I believe bran might be). Unless you’re very careful with removing oxygen, the fat can go rancid after awhile (from months to years depending on the specific oils).

So best to do some research beforehand.

Re: The Coming Food Catastrophe

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Post by mullingitover »

woojoo666 wrote: post #424
mullingitover wrote: post #132

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This guy has a vested interest in convincing people we’re in for a rough year or two.

I don't see them selling anything, just a Patreon and some referral links. If that's considered some dark ulterior motive, then you also wouldn't be able to trust most youtubers (Veritasium, CPG Grey, MinutePhysics, etc)

There's a direct ask for support in the form of paypal donations right there on the linked page. He also funnels traffic to his youtube, where he has well over a quarter million subscribers. He has quite a cottage industry selling doom prepper news.

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Post by nisegami »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #603
nisegami wrote: post #578

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>I want my kids to worry about global warming, not global warming and when's the next time the neighbours re-discover their imperial ambitions. I just can't fathom why people bring children into this world knowing they will face existential crises.

At whatever time you were born, there were “existential threats”, and yet here you are.

It was wrong then too, but my parents didn't have the wisdom to understand that.
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