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Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Using what kind of attachment?

a flap disc. Seems like overkill though. You could probably just hand sand it to be honest.

I used a flexible grinding disk.

Tools exist to make jobs easy. There is no virtue in doing hard work for hard works sake. Plus, orbital sanders tend to inflame my carpal tunnel.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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You can get a box of 100 Astra superior platinum double edge blades for £8 on Amazon last time I got them. Something like the Fatip Picolo is a quality razor that will last you 5+ years. It cost me £15 plus shipping.

DE shaving is also better for your skin by a wide margin. It also gives a closer shave. I can’t recommend anything more highly.

However you may get sucked into the rabbit hole and DE shaving can become a hobby and suddenly you have a Muhle SS [1] that cost you £120 together with 100 different shaving soaps that cost £10-20 each and ultra fine ultra thick shave brushes that can cost £80

[1] https://www.executive-shaving.co.uk/muhle-r41gs-stainless-st...

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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>Other examples of products that seem to exhibit a similar trend, where purported convenience leads to higher prices >Cooking equipment: essentially indestructible Cast Iron skillets transition into teflon pans. The newer pans perform worse, and must be replaced on a shockingly regular basis. They also seem to be poisonous. They have their uses. I wouldn't try frying eggs in a cast iron, for instance (technically you…

> Also, claiming that [PFAS] "seem to be poisonous" without any qualifiers is a little misleading. To my knowledge they're only poisonous during manufacturing (ie. the precursor chemicals) and when they get too hot.

It’s a bit difficult to exactly measure the effects of PFAS and how much of it makes it poisonous—when a study sought a control group of people without any in their blood for a study, they were not able to find a single living person on this planet that fits the definition anymore—but even with what we know the author is likely significantly understating that particular point[0].

Even if we ignore the poison released into the environment during manufacturing, I am yet to see a used Teflon pan that has no scratches (and that’s just the ones visible with naked eye). Combine with the fact that non-Teflon pans are becoming nearly impossible to find in many retail stores, and it becomes somewhat concerning.

[0] https://youtu.be/9W74aeuqsiU?t=560

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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My dad bought me one of these bulky 12 speed razors, 5 years ago. I've used 1 cartridge from it about 6 months ago. I hadn't shaved my face since before they came out. I use a clipper to keep it trimmed. Why use any disposable product whatsoever. His point on single use plastics is spot on. I know a lot of people that love to lecture me about my moralistic views, the types of people who believe in overpopulation and…

Reminds me of George W Bush vs Al Gore in that Bush had a modest ranch house with all the eco friendly features and Gore, the environmentalalist had some 20,000+ foot megamansion.

Yea... it was unfortunate that so many people focused on that instead of the general problem and now we are barreling toward a very bad outcome. Ultimately, it doesn't matter what wealthy people do - they're going to be just fine regardless of what the rest of us do, except that if we kick and scream about their big houses and refuse to do anything we just wind up inheriting the problem and they're still right where they started. I somewhat feel this way about abortion - like I can afford to move my family or fly a family member somewhere to get one. Can you? Might want to think about that.

The other issue is that focusing on something like this megamansion (as grotesque as it is anyway - seriously a lot of these rich people are just tasteless losers) leads down to a never ending condition where you just never do enough to satisfy people who have no interest in changing their habits anyway.

If Gore sold his megamansion they'd say "hey you are still flying", if he stopped flying they'd say "hey you're still driving a car", if he stopped driving a car they say "hey you're not growing your own vegetables", if he started growing his own vegetables they'd say "hey the tools you use come from a carbon emitting supply chain" and if he stopped using tools and made his own they'd just keep on and on and on forever until we get global warming anyway and so many people are screwed. There's no genuine interest in solving the problem, they just want to distract you.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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While I believe that many things stated in this post are correct, this still has that hard 'old man yelling at the internet' odor. If you are to compare stuff, stuff like modern razor cartridges and double-edged razors, you ought to mention the convenience side of the things. I hate being the devil's advocate, but shaving with 4-blade cartridge designed for easy shaving is still 'miles' ahead compared to shaving with…

I don’t think it’s objectively true that 4 blades is a better experience.

For me, and many many others who have tried both, eg in the subreddit for DE shaving, DE is much better for a) your skin and b) getting a close shave.

Your hair doesn’t need 4 blades running across it. It just needs one sharp blade over it.

Fair it may take one or two shaves to “get used” to the new way of shaving but that is only because most people start on 4-blade.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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Just get one with an HDMI input and buy a Roku. Never give the TV your wifi password.

If you care about privacy but still want to use something off-the-shelf, go for an Apple TV rather than Roku.

Apple is part of NSA's PRISM according to Snowden leaks.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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I have been using the classic double edge shaver for a decade now. It's as shiny as the day I bought it. I use a blade about every couple of weeks (my facial hair is kind of "average" I would guess). I shave every 2 or 3 days. I think I use one blade every couple of weeks. It's extremely cheap. If interested I have a Parker brand long handle (do no like the short handle versions) and I use dove soap as my "lubricant". There is no reason to use those money pit plastic polluter, 20 blades. I hear Merkurs are pretty good too. I use cheap Shark brand blades that a 100 pack lasts me basically forever, but I'm sure there are other great brands as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Parker-99R-Heavyweight-Butterfly-Plat...

Other things I've done, all my pans are cast iron, all my storage is glassware, all my utensils are silicone or metal, I drink only drip or Moka pot coffee. I do have a ceramic coated dutch oven though, but the coating is said to be real ceramic and not ptfe (or any of the "safe" coatings that are claimed out there). All my cutting boards are wood or bamboo. I tried to get as much plastic out of my kitchen as humanly possible.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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>Other examples of products that seem to exhibit a similar trend, where purported convenience leads to higher prices >Cooking equipment: essentially indestructible Cast Iron skillets transition into teflon pans. The newer pans perform worse, and must be replaced on a shockingly regular basis. They also seem to be poisonous. They have their uses. I wouldn't try frying eggs in a cast iron, for instance (technically you…

>Why are they only superficially convenient? They seem pretty convenient to me.

Because it is absurdly easy to make a pot of coffee, if you want a single cup just adjust the amount of water and coffee.

There is also instant coffee. Which can be better than Keurig.

It's not to say that there is 0 convenience its just barely so and not really worth the added cost and waste. Also if you happen to be the one that has to refill the water or wait on it to heat it's no more convenient than any other option.

Also the coffee sucks.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

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A 70" 4k pc monitor sounds prohibitively expensive though.

Our of curiosity, do you know why that is? What makes TVs different from monitors? (Genuinely don’t know much about the space)

For a long time I found the single biggest difference between them to be:

Even the best TVs had atrocious latency compared to cheap monitors. I don’t really know why this is, but it likely has something to expensive transformations to the video signal to “improve” quality. I have very pricy 1080p Samsung TV from 2013. Even in “Game Mode” I has latency of over 100ms. This enough to be noticeable in just moving a mouse around, let alone gaming.

That has been mostly rectified nowadays. I have an LG C1 (42”) and use it for gaming and work. It has The biggest remaining differences would be:

- TVs tend to have a “smart interface”. This can generally be avoided if you are just switching between inputs. - TVs tend not to support DisplayPort input. - TVs tend require large desk stands and are not VESA compatible. You need a large desk to use one as a monitor. - Very few TVs with high quality panels are available in smaller more pixel dense sizes. I’m imagining this will become less of a problem with a move to 8k. - TVs tend to have almost unusable colour calibration out of the box. Rtings reviews tends to note how close the displays get to a standard colour profile after calibration. Many can be calibrated to a reasonable level though. - OLED panels are much more common in TVs.

Re: Shaving is an example of how consumer products extract more money

#610

My dad bought me one of these bulky 12 speed razors, 5 years ago. I've used 1 cartridge from it about 6 months ago. I hadn't shaved my face since before they came out. I use a clipper to keep it trimmed. Why use any disposable product whatsoever. His point on single use plastics is spot on. I know a lot of people that love to lecture me about my moralistic views, the types of people who believe in overpopulation and…

A lot of corporate propaganda has gone into this line that the consumers are the most to blame for “disposable crap”.
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