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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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It is called coercion which is a form of force.

Are you also against the other laws that we have governing our behaviour as a collective society? For instance, you are "coerced" into driving your vehicle within a certain measure of sobriety.

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Are those acts defined as terrorism in that jurisdiction?

Does it matter? I’d assume the penalty for funding felony arson and murder aren’t that different from funding terrorism.

I desperately wish that were true, but alas, that has not been been the case for several decades. It's cool to indefinitely detain and torture suspected terrorists, haven't you heard? Folks didn't care when it was just Muslims, but we all lost our rights to the war on terror.

Bill C-51 was written to enable the government to silence dissent. That's a right we all need. But it was passed at the height of the Idle No More protests, which many of the truckers out there would be vehemently opposed to. Politicians gain power when they can use fear and hate to fuel divisions and justify the erosion of our rights.

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Just to be clear, the government of Canada doesn't mandate vaccination of truckers, what it mandates is for non-vaccinated individuals (which includes truckers) that are entering Canada through the border that they must get tested and quarantine on entry. So if you can't prove vaccination on entry, you need to have a proof of negative test and quarantine a few days. I just want to point that out, because it seems the…

That requirement is equivalent to barring them from their profession. It's also an absurd requirement for someone who spends the majority of their working time alone. If it's such a sensible requirement then why aren't we mandating that all grocery store workers be vaccinated or be required to self-isolate for 2 weeks after each shift? Why not mandate it for all professions that involve face to face contact?

They're not barred from the profession. There are trucking jobs within the US they can do. As far as going to the US from Canada, you'd have to blame the US on that one.

People whose job requires international travel have always been expected to keep up to date regulations. Truckers were just an exception.

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The requirement was not dropped, I'm surprised Reuters hasn't corrected that article. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/in-for-a-rough-winter... https://www.bing.com/search?q=canada+trucker+vaccine+require...

So according to these sources, Canadian truckers don't have to be vaccinated. They just have to quarantine if they have symptomatic COVID. The first link says "On Wednesday evening, a Canadian Border Services Agency spokesperson said truckers would remain exempt from vaccination, testing and quarantine rules — a reversal from what the government had said publicly just hours before." My top hit on the search is a prim…

See, the entire reason these protests are stupid, is because what they're actually protesting is US policy that requires them to be vaccinated or test negative to enter the US. You are correct, they will not be turned away at the border coming back to Canada.

They are protesting US policy in Ottawa because this is really auxillary to the political goals of the organizers.

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I'm concerned about 1st amendment and the soft power politicians have on freedom of speech (yes I know this is in Canada). When the head politician of a country essentially calls your group terrorist, wouldn't that put some pressure on social media or other organizations to restrict access, money or censor speech? Not all violations of free speech are literally police sending someone to jail for saying something. If…

Remember when Trump called antifa a terrorist org? I hope we've learned by now to stop taking the "terrorist" label seriously

“Terror” about describes it if it’s your neighborhood and not just a scene on TV. The people breaking windows of businesses that don’t sport the right stickers or threatening violence against those not wearing the right clothes or making the right salutes are appropriately called “terrorists” if not worse. I don’t take the label terrorist to heart when it’s some bullshit overseas conflict, but I know what structure fires look like, I know what mob frenzy looks like. I know what actual political violence looks like. I know how dangerous self-righteous violence can be. Calling antifa terrorists is spot on because that’s what they were/are as demonstrated/experienced by their actions and goals (of which, ant-fascism seems about opposite).

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They want to create a governing committee that is above the power of the government... that's pretty far from "demanding public written concession" That's creating an alternative government

Nobody said anything about above the government.. If my city sets up a school board, that isn't a replacement government or above the power of the government. Governments delegate power to panels and empowers them to make decisions on their behalf every day. Asking a government to set up a group to make decisions is not Revolution

You can just read it for yourself:

https://canada-unity.com/mou/

> SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021,instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to re-instate all employees in all branches of governments and, not limited to promote the same to the private industry and institutional sectors employees with full lawful employment rights prior to the wrongful and unlawful dismissals that stem from the SARS-CoV-2 (and not limited to SARS-CoV-2 subsequent variations) vaccine passport mandates

Not only do they want full control of all levels of government, but they also want to be able to tell all private companies that they need to rehire people fired

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If anyone wants to know a little more about what their demands are:

> SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021, instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to re-instate all employees in all branches of governments and, not limited to promote the same to the private industry and institutional sectors employees with full lawful employment rights prior to the wrongful and unlawful dismissals that stem from the SARS-CoV-2 (and not limited to SARS-CoV-2 subsequent variations) vaccine passport mandates

https://canada-unity.com/mou/

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The vaccine isn’t being forced on anyone. Body autonomy is no more being violated here than any other time in history where vaccines have been required to do certain things, of which there are many examples. Not to mention, all the things you listed at the start of your comment have been done by the Ottawa occupiers. I don’t like to call them truckers because most are not, and most truckers are against this occupatio…

It is being forced. If you can experience significant losses or risks unless you comply, that’s being forced. You’re being disingenuous. It’s easy to see where this breaks down - per your logic a mobster running a protection racket isn’t forcing anyone to pay extortion money either.

Accepting your premise that it's being forced on us, how is this different from the many other laws we are "forced" to obey as a part of Canadian society?

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Also keep in mind that in the backdrop of all this is the fact that our Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists. Probably inspiring someone who ran over some protesters in Winnipeg. Canadian news and politicians are desperately trying to denounce the protesters while ignoring the fact that Canada has some of the harshest Covid restrictions in the world at the moment, while the US has hardly a…

> protesters racists and misogynists That's probably because of the Nazi and Confederate flags people are waving. In my opinion, they should cry it out or quit given Canada's 1 dose vaccination rate is in the 80% range.

How silly is it to have a confederate flag at a Canadian protest, anyway, if not simply for shaping optics in the citizenry of the United States to tell them how to frame current events??

Screams of an orchestrated heuristic.

If you’re aware of such a fringe factoid as flags appearing in the crowd but simultaneously unaware of the footage demonstrating these to be literally false flags you may want to diversify your information sources.

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Nobody said anything about above the government.. If my city sets up a school board, that isn't a replacement government or above the power of the government. Governments delegate power to panels and empowers them to make decisions on their behalf every day. Asking a government to set up a group to make decisions is not Revolution

You can just read it for yourself: https://canada-unity.com/mou/ > SCGGC will effective as of midnight on this ___, day of ___________, 2021,instruct all levels of the Federal, Provincial, Territorial, and Municipal governments to re-instate all employees in all branches of governments and, not limited to promote the same to the private industry and institutional sectors employees with full lawful employment rights p…

I have, that's why I wrote my original post that overthrow is a ridiculous claim. I dont think you understand it.

The SCGGC is the currently existing and only government of Canada. CU (the protesters) are asking it to use its powers to do something.

In your quote, they are asking the SCGGC to use its power to stop and reverse all SARS-CoV-2 firings.

They are also asking to SCGGC to agree to set up a committee (CCC) with no powers that will be used to share schedules for the covid policy reversal and issue joint statements about the mandates lifting

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