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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by defaultprimate »

This is why I require on camera, screen shared, live coding sessions or discussion as part of my technical interview process for remote developers. If they're junior, the problems are not hard, literally foundational CS things.

If it's for a more advanced role, I give them a coding challenge after a non-technical, on camera interview. Then if it's worthy of a technical follow up interview, they must build, execute, and walk me through the code live on camera. I also ask them to make slight alterations or extensions live.

This may sound like a lot but the total time invested by a candidate, including the interviews themselves, should be no more than 4 hours. The challenges are experience and role appropriate and I'm not asking them to build an MVP or anything close. They're also allowed to search and use resources in the live interviews, as they would on the job. I'm not interested in testing your memory-recall abilities, I'm interested in seeing how you approach problem solving using CS.

Lastly, record all your interviews.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by dredmorbius »

WalterBright wrote: post #600
dredmorbius wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in your 20s and experiencing this, perhaps. If you're in your 50s and it's still a constant problem, quite possibly not. Again, people aren't infinitely malleable, and don't all fit in standard packages. Even seasoned stage performers often face crippling anxiety before performances late in their careers. Others take their own lives, often at a young age. Dick Cavett is among those who've suffered crippling…

Depression is a different problem from performance anxiety.

I'd appreciate seeing your sources on that.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by Osiris »

kelnos wrote: post #360
bityard wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I don't think he has a moral obligation to inform either company of what's going on, assuming one company's work doesn't interfere with the assigned work from the other. I strongly disagree. When you are hired as a full-time employee, the expectation is that you are giving your full 8 hours work day (or whatever) to the company in exchange for a paycheck. Otherwise, you are extracting full value from the compan…

> When you are hired as a full-time employee, the expectation is that you are giving your full 8 hours work day (or whatever) to the company in exchange for a paycheck. I don't think that's necessarily true. Another interpretation of being hired as a salaried employee might be "they get the work done that they were assigned, in a satisfactory manner, and are able to respond during regular work hours when needed". If…

> I don't think that's necessarily true. Another interpretation of being hired as a salaried employee might be "they get the work done that they were assigned, in a satisfactory manner, and are able to respond during regular work hours when needed". If someone can hold two jobs and fulfill that, then why is that a problem?

If that's true, then there shouldn't be any concern about sharing with them that you're working another job at the same time.

Like I said, I don't have a problem with it if each employer is aware and is fine with the situation. IMO the ethical question is if you are lying to one or both parties.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by JohnBooty »

vmception wrote: post #593
JohnBooty wrote: post #579

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Did all of your positive interviews result in rejections? Some of mine did. That always hurt. But, I mean... 1. A lot of companies follow the "it's better to turn away 10 qualified hires than to make one bad hire" adage 2. Even when I know I'm 100% qualified and would be a good fit, that might be true for 10 other candidates as well so I expect a 90% rejection rate even when things go well. 3. Even when I know I'm 10…

Right I’m aware there were potentially other reasons like what the very first chapter in all the tech career handbooks say, as you wrote, and they all concluded that I was wasting my time on a broken process, while surrounded by people bragging about the multiple offers they are able to line up in the same time frame somehow. Well good for them. I was getting the short straw so I unsubscribed, good for me that was an…

I feel like the process is broken in a looooooooooot of ways, but I can't feel that a low % of job offers relative to the # of interviews is necessarily a sign of brokenness?

For most software development jobs, I feel that collaboration is important and those sorts of interviews, when done well, are probably one of the least-terrible ways to get a feel for it.

Of course, there are also plenty of cases when this sort of interview is not ideal. Not all development jobs require collaboration. And there are brilliant developers who just don't interview well. Etc.

In the end, though, you won. Entrepreneurship is tough but ultimately I love it more than working for others. It's your life, why work for others if you can help it?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by XargonEnder »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #504
bitwize wrote: post #26

It's not just a thing, for some crooter firms it's a business model. Gonna name and shame here, there was an outfit that was once called Unbounded Solutions, then BrighterBrain. God knows if they're still around or what they're called now. Anyhoo, their whole deal was this: they offered free IT training and job placement, but there was a catch! Oh, boy, was there ever a catch. They would put you through 2 weeks of iO…

Is a contract requiring you to participate in a blatant fraud enforceable?

Generally it's not enforceable but plenty of people don't know how contract law works.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by XargonEnder »

tmule wrote: post #364

Seems made up, though I don’t doubt that it’s a thing. If someone is getting someone else to interview for them, the least they would ensure is that no aspect of personal life is discussed during the interview. This is also something that no hiring manager would inquire about since there are possible legal repercussions to doing so. Finally, I think it’s alarming that the spouse has this level of detail about the hap…

If this happened to me there's no way I wouldn't tell my spouse the story

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by XargonEnder »

neycoda wrote: post #452

I was hired on e for a position at a 35% pay raise; while this isn't particularly unusual in tech, on the first day, I couldn't figure out what they were talking about with most things. They couldn't figure out why I couldn't figure out their setup requirements. After almost 8 hours passed, they said they switched resumes on accident... so I'd quit my last job for this job, worked there a day for no reason, and was b…

Wow that's insane and horrific. Were you able to claim unemployment?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by hogrider »

amrrs wrote: post #169
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

I'll present an alternate case, mine. I'm in a senior IC role sitting in India making almost 1/4th of what my US Counterpart makes. I work as much as them if not more. We as Indians are always taught to be sincere and obedient and I try to show that in my work trying to stay up finish the work so that my sincerity is never questioned. I'm always on the side to prove my quality - even though I'm highly underpaid for t…

You're being complicit in your own exploitation and alienation.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by WalterBright »

dredmorbius wrote: post #602
WalterBright wrote: post #600

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depression is a different problem from performance anxiety.

I'd appreciate seeing your sources on that.

They're distinctly different emotions. You might as well ask me for a cite that being angry and being happy are different emotions.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by dredmorbius »

WalterBright wrote: post #609
dredmorbius wrote: post #602

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd appreciate seeing your sources on that.

They're distinctly different emotions. You might as well ask me for a cite that being angry and being happy are different emotions.

That's an assertion, not a source.
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