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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by kingsloi »

nradov wrote: post #326
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children. We don't shut down society because of RSV. https://www.medscape.com/answers/971488-177692/what-is-the-p...

My little girl was eligible for the RSV vaccine, as she was immunocompromised. It sucks watching/hearing our friend's kids being hospitalised by it, knowing there's a vaccine for it, but it's so expensive ($3000-$6000 /yr /child), unless covered by insurance (if eligible), that it's out of reach for most families.

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Post by hcknwscommenter »

jacquesm wrote: post #524
hutzlibu wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"a months-long scratchy cough" But isn't that normal at times for a cold season with kids? There are lots of really nasty diseases children can get, where safe vaccinations exist. But most data so far told me with covid I have to worry much more about the social developement of my kids. That was really restricted and that is not good.

Not this cough. One of my children has this and he sounds more like his 86 year old uncle than a normal child, and it's been going on for ever , without much in terms of improvement. I really pity him. But I'm coughing just as bad...

I've not followed this aspect much. Certainly the virus has long since cleared. So, what is going on with the long-term lung involvement? Scarring?

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Post by nradov »

mizzack wrote: post #486
lastofthemojito wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What sort of test were you able to get to determine that your kids' cases were of the omicron variant?

Guessing based entirely on symptoms, onset time across the household, and community prevalence.

You can make a fairly accurate guess based on estimated infection date. CDC data shows that the Omicron variant has caused the majority of cases for the past 2 weeks.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#nowcasting

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Post by Nbox9 »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #376
snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

> Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US […] it has become politically incorrect to have a personal principle or conviction that contradicts the approved viewpoint, or otherwise goes against the grain.

I think you might have a grandiose mental image of America’s past. The 1798 Sedition Act ‘made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its officials’[0]. A congressman went to jail for speaking critically against President John Adams. President Nixon tried to suppress the 1960s cultural revolutions. The US has always had a bit more of an authoritative twist than the American History books write.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams#Alien_and_Sedition_...

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Post by pavon »

Animats wrote: post #541

We still don't know if the omicron variant leads to "long COVID".[1] We'll know some time in February. That has a big effect on what to do next. Omicron-specific vaccines are in test. Moderna's should be out in Fall 2022. Pfizer claims March 2022.[2] The next generation in vaccine technology is the US Army / Walter Reed Medical Center broad-spectrum vaccine. This should protect against all COVID and SARS variants.[3]…

Last I read, Moderna was also claiming as early as March 2022 (but possibly Q2) for their Omicron-specific booster[1]. Has there been other announcements pushing that back to the fall?

[1]https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/...

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Post by mostertoaster »

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

To each his own?

Like you’re free to worry about it, you’re free to be as safety minded as you want, you’re free to treat covid like the Black Death for all I care.

Am I free to just not worry about it anymore than I would the flu? (Which is very little, unless I’m going on a trip in like a week then I’m like I ain’t going out for anything)

I will pretend like covid is just a common cold until the fearful ask me to do some silly exercise like put my mask on at target so that their minds can be put at ease.

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Post by valachio »

twblalock wrote: post #577
Animats wrote: post #541

We still don't know if the omicron variant leads to "long COVID".[1] We'll know some time in February. That has a big effect on what to do next. Omicron-specific vaccines are in test. Moderna's should be out in Fall 2022. Pfizer claims March 2022.[2] The next generation in vaccine technology is the US Army / Walter Reed Medical Center broad-spectrum vaccine. This should protect against all COVID and SARS variants.[3]…

> The next generation in vaccine technology is the US Army / Walter Reed Medical Center broad-spectrum vaccine. This should protect against all COVID and SARS variants.[3] That's in Phase I safety testing, with about 75 volunteers. If that works, the problem is solved. Sure, until the next variant. The problem of the spread was mostly solved by vaccines before Omicron, at least for people who got the vaccines. Then O…

It ends when people say it ends.

There will always be natural disasters, whether it's earthquakes or viruses. If it's a new virus, yes people are going to die, yes hospitals are going to be overwhelmed (in fact I would be surprised if hospitals aren't overwhelmed when a new virus hits, which just means that hospital was over-funded and has too many idle staff).

The virus was a creation of nature (conspiracy theories notwithstanding), but the lockdown and all these governmental restrictions are man-made.

Even if the virus went away, the lockdown can continue if people want it to go on. It can go on for the rest of human civilization if we want it to. Or it can end right at this moment, if the people go out and tell their government that it's time to stop.

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Post by mschuster91 »

aklemm wrote: post #551
mschuster91 wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Couple that to daycare/preschool shutdowns: if there's a case in the class we've got to keep our kids at home for a week. We both work. We can deal with it, lord knows we've had to do it enough times already, but it's absolutely draining. At least now people start to realize that they work too much and that schools are not institutions of education any more but rather prisons for children so that their parents can…

Right on, and I can’t believe how seldom it’s heard. The current work-life-society bargain is terrible and we should expect terrible results until it’s re-negotiated.

Those in power (and many of the population on HN, I dare bet) have nannies, au-pairs and other forms of easing the load of child raising, so they don't feel the pressures.

Those who bear the full load have no representation in politics, either by socioeconomic class (most representatives are highly privileged) or by ethnic history (non-citizens cannot vote, even if they have permanent residence and pay taxes).

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Post by LouisSayers »

afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

There's research coming out that shows the vaccines are causing heart inflammation (1) in younger people, so I'd show some caution in getting kids vaccinated.

I'm not sure how it compares to the effects of covid itself, just something to think about / read up on to make an informed decision.

1) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

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