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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by platz »

teknofobi wrote: post #519
manigandham wrote: post #357

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He's had plenty of prominent leftist guests like Bernie Sanders, and most of his comedian and artist friends are left-leaning, and he leans left himself. How is this a gateway to the alt-right? At some point these accusations just become meaningless.

Joe Rogan leans left in the same way someone that starts their sentences with “I’m not rasist, but …” aren’t racists. It’s just a rhetorical device to convince you that they don’t believe in labels, and then they immediately use their actions and words to demonstrate that they fit the textbook description of the label. > They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, f…

so if someone is left but isnt as left as you then they arent left, right?

would you consider biden left?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by sampo »

bloopernova wrote: post #436
0xy wrote: post #300

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The CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though. In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths. More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.

The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. The public was panic buying anything and everything. Remember empty grocery store shelves? Price gouging people who were hoarding all the hand sanitizer? When those circumstances changed, so did the advice. There's no one on earth who gets everything right first time, and thus…

> The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because:

> Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment.

They said: "We need the masks for hospitals. Please don't use masks, because they don't work for you, they only work for us in the hospitals".

Why would anyone take from that that masks don't work? How/why did people believe that? They literally say that masks work. This is one of the greatest mysteries for me.

Could you maybe also pull this off in some other context, too? "We want the good stuff. But it doesn't work, so please don't buy it. Leave it for us"? Could it be made to work?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by gsich »

mastrsushi wrote: post #552
gsich wrote: post #408

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Podcasts without RSS are not podcasts. Sure you can have several distribution methods, but if not one of them is RSS ...

> Podcasts without RSS are not podcasts The rest of the world seems to think otherwise….

Good thing that technical issues are not up to popularity contests.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by adventured »

manigandham wrote: post #525
ajkjk wrote: post #393

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The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

I said him and his friends lean left too, so what else makes it a gateway? These claims are always vague and unfounded.

It's pretty straight-forward. The left can't stand Rogan because he allows the non-left (not just the alt-right; the non-left) to have a platform. They don't actually care what the material is, what the issue is, they can't tolerate anything that isn't their own bubble, their own world views. The left controls ~95% of all media and it still isn't enough. Any platform that gives a voice to anything other than their own views, is fundamentally bad and is not to be tolerated. That's why most of the censorship push is coming from the left today, they're the party of intolerance and it's not just about the alt-right or far-right. Comedians broadly are terrified of the left's crazy censorship push, they're speaking out about it on a constant basis; comedians are almost always the canaries in the speech coal mine.

An obvious example of this in action, is Jordan Peterson, who the left almost universally detests. He's neither alt-right nor far-right, and yet the left tries to slander and control him with that label constantly (bury him under fake labels). If you're not in total agreement with them, you're the enemy; that's widely the ethos of the intolerant left today. Rogan has given people like Peterson a large platform to speak through. That's the sort of thing the left hates Rogan for.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by lghh »

dexterdog wrote: post #384
lghh wrote: post #247

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Say I'm an interviewer running a podcast about SaaS startups. Which is more useful? 1. I interview a handful of people who have differing opinions on what it takes to lead a SaaS startup who have all had successful exist, but have differing opinions on key issues. Maybe throw in a few people who have experience working in that type of environment, but maybe not leading, if you want a little more variety. 2. I intervi…

Number 1 is not very good because you're only taking to people who had successful exits so you're already skewing the conversation.

Skewing it how? To people who probably have good perspective on the issue?

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by amanzi »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #559
handmodel wrote: post #218

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I think the model of giving away Joe Rogan to all users of Spotify (even if not paying subscribers) is worst of all worlds from a business POV. Think how many people still subscribe and pay over ten dollars a month to listen to Howard Stern. I subscribe to a few podcasts on patreon at $5 just for the few bonus episodes. And I have trouble believing the ad revenue Spotify gets for this is anywhere close to what paying…

In Joe Rogan's case, I doubt people would pay. Then again, I haven't been able to understand his success. I cringe when he calls himself a Comedian. I cringe when he talks science. (Always felt someone should sit down with him and explain The Placebo Effect, and The Scientific Method, and what goes into a good Clinical study. I would be shocked if he ever even took Psy 101.) Is it the upfront pot use that garners so…

The fact you find his guests interesting is in part due to Joe's success as a podcaster. He's able to get the best out of his guests by the way he questions them and keeps the conversation going. He doesn't pretend to be knowledgeable but knows enough about the topics to be able to prompt the guests for more info.

In saying that, I've stopped listening to him since he went onto Spotify. The only episode I've listened to in full since he switched was the recent Tarantino interview, which was great.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by pottertheotter »

dalbasal wrote: post #482
jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

iTunes (Apple Music) doesn’t own streaming music and never has. Spotify has the largest market share (32%) and Apple is second at half the size (16%).

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Post by yuuu »

hncurious wrote: post #598
pandeiro wrote: post #411

Not surprised this degenerated immediately into a mass ranting session about pandemic science with pretty much the entire catalog of cognitive biases and logical fallacies on display. I guess that's interesting to some, from a sociological standpoint, but for me, there's more than enough of this on literally every other social media platform. I'm interested in a discussion about the actual dynamic of spotify vs youtu…

If you took Rogan's podcast and transported it back to, say, 2014, there would be no controversy. He would simply be seen as a liberal comedian having casual, friendly conversations with a wide variety of people. It's just that we're currently in the middle of a moral panic and the self righteous authoritarian hall monitor types are having their day in the sun. Just as we saw in the 80s/90s with Howard Stern who was…

The problem is that the self-righteous authoritarian hall monitors now seem to comprise the majority of the U.S. population and nearly everyone I have a professional interaction with.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by didibus »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #559
handmodel wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the model of giving away Joe Rogan to all users of Spotify (even if not paying subscribers) is worst of all worlds from a business POV. Think how many people still subscribe and pay over ten dollars a month to listen to Howard Stern. I subscribe to a few podcasts on patreon at $5 just for the few bonus episodes. And I have trouble believing the ad revenue Spotify gets for this is anywhere close to what paying…

In Joe Rogan's case, I doubt people would pay. Then again, I haven't been able to understand his success. I cringe when he calls himself a Comedian. I cringe when he talks science. (Always felt someone should sit down with him and explain The Placebo Effect, and The Scientific Method, and what goes into a good Clinical study. I would be shocked if he ever even took Psy 101.) Is it the upfront pot use that garners so…

He had good production for a free podcast, and managed to interview interesting subject experts on trending undercurrent of various online communities, and he did so at a time where podcast were taking off, and people already knew his name.

It's that simple I think.

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