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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by madeofpalk »

spijdar wrote: post #597
madeofpalk wrote: post #569

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Isn't that the point? You can't say that tiktok "gets rid of people" in those demographics when Tiktok's algo creates all these micro communities where they flourish. I've never seen more diversity and representation on social media than on Tiktok.

Sure, it "gets rid of people" by isolating them into bubbles and makes sure people who don't want to see it, well, won't see it. Is it "representation" if it's only seen by people who want to see it? I think it's a big question, and one that applies to most social media, even if TikTok is one of the most extreme examples. Is it ethically/morally/socially good to de facto isolate niche groups of like-minded people int…

> Is it "representation" if it's only seen by people who want to see it?

Yes. Definitely. The representation matters most to the people in that bubble. I just think about how great it would have been to see more queer media when was growing up.

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Post by nazka »

reggieband wrote: post #359
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I don't think the algorithm is that good, it's simply that the content is better. I used TikTok for a couple of weeks and the product is very good. I uninstalled it not because I didn't like it but because I think it's another step in the wrong direction, for society and for me personally.

I believe the amazing content and algorithm go hand in hand. It isn't like humanity suddenly became more creative in 2019. TikTok has two things going for it that I believe create a feedback loop. First, their algorithm is good. Those same memes and ideas are on reddit, YouTube and even Facebook but often they are buried. TikTok algorithm manages to surface them extremely well, finding the right audience for the cont…

Thank you for the link. It’s as relevant today as ever.

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Post by spijdar »

Banana699 wrote: post #599
spijdar wrote: post #597

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Sure, it "gets rid of people" by isolating them into bubbles and makes sure people who don't want to see it, well, won't see it. Is it "representation" if it's only seen by people who want to see it? I think it's a big question, and one that applies to most social media, even if TikTok is one of the most extreme examples. Is it ethically/morally/socially good to de facto isolate niche groups of like-minded people int…

>Is it "representation" if it's only seen by people who want to see it? Why is that objectionable? It's not like people don't know about queer or trans people and tiktok is shielding them from knowing, people know and just aren't interested. Forcing people to watch things they aren't interested in only makes them resentful and fed up with them, instead of simply uninterested. Interest can't be demanded.

I don't think it's objectionable, I just think it's relevant to the discussion. I think most people use the word "representation" to mean a topic or idea being seen/floated within a larger audience, e.g. "representation" is having actor in a Hollywood blockbuster (for the purpose of, say, exposing more people to a positive image of ). This doesn't seem like representation to me.

That said, if the goal of representation is just to provide more media/content for people who like , then yes, this is representation. That's not how I think of the word, but words don't have concrete meanings in the real world.

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Post by krageon »

aerosmile wrote: post #235
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Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

> You got used to the idea that the US has the ability to be better at anything

I don't think this has ever been true, but perhaps it's just my social circles.

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Post by phatfish »

sltkr wrote: post #318
phatfish wrote: post #252

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I've never used TikTok, but that sounds nice. The "comment" section that has appeared under every piece of content on the internet in the last 10 years is the source of so much wasted effort and conflict it's truly depressing. If TikTok is breaking that pattern then it's a step in the right direction.

... he wrote, unironically, in the Hacker News comment section.

True, however HN is designed for fair civil discussion.

It comes down to the goals of the site owner. Do they want to create a community and moderate accordingly. Or is it simply a way to up the time-spent metric through readers having a peek to see how stupid the comments are, or not being able to resist throwing in their own two cents.

I'm not suggesting I am any better that the average net user, I said "wasted effort" for a reason.

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Post by spijdar »

madeofpalk wrote: post #601
spijdar wrote: post #597

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Sure, it "gets rid of people" by isolating them into bubbles and makes sure people who don't want to see it, well, won't see it. Is it "representation" if it's only seen by people who want to see it? I think it's a big question, and one that applies to most social media, even if TikTok is one of the most extreme examples. Is it ethically/morally/socially good to de facto isolate niche groups of like-minded people int…

> Is it "representation" if it's only seen by people who want to see it? Yes. Definitely. The representation matters most to the people in that bubble. I just think about how great it would have been to see more queer media when was growing up.

Okay, that's fair. It's a different kind of representation than what I was thinking of, though, meaning general exposure of an idea to some kind of broader audience.

From an individual's perspective, being in a bubble is great. I get it. I just get a little anxiety at the idea of society being partitioned into a bunch of self-reaffirming bubbles of different extremes, something that's starting to feel very real in the US lately.

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Post by andrepd »

romwell wrote: post #544
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We already know enough about TikTok to hate it. Unfortunately, the masses don't seem to care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok#Controversies https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

> Unfortunately, the masses don't seem to care. It looks like you know enough to hate it without using it . What's up with the sense of superiority here? The "masses" do care, but if you were an active user of the platform, you'd know that nothing comes even close to what TikTok brings to the table. E.g.: do I care that TikTok censors LGBTQ+ crowd? Absolutely. But guess which platform allows me to connect with that d…

>But guess which platform allows me to connect with that demographic the most. Yup, that's still TikTok. And what I learned on that platform changed my life for the better like a magic wand.

Can you elaborate further? This seems quite intense praise. What do you mean by "changed my life like a magic wand"? It's just hyperactive short videos, isn't it?

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Post by CapricornNoble »

xvector wrote: post #575
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As a non-user, I am genuinely curious about what are some concrete examples of productive contents? From my understanding, the only format of communication on TikTok is videos with a short time limit. I'd imagine it is hard to convey much to be considered productive.

> I'd imagine it is hard to convey much to be considered productive. This is actually one of the most refreshing things about TikTok. Content density. What YouTubers take 10 minutes to do, a competent TikToker gets across in 30 seconds. The platform itself encourages a maximization of information density.

>>>What YouTubers take 10 minutes to do, a competent TikToker gets across in 30 seconds. The platform itself encourages a maximization of information density.

I'm struggling to comprehend how German artillery tactics in WW2 can be competently covered in 30 seconds: https://youtu.be/3VY10gfnrTQ

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

mrtksn wrote: post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

> I think this is because of the short and fast phased nature of the TikTok content.

> they put together a short video that shows the gist of the subject

not to sound dismissive, but what I read here is "Tik Tok algorithm is better at exploiting people's attention span issues"

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