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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Can you verify this using the verification tool? Reports on the internet say the tool reports machines with earlier generation processors are being flagged as not compatible. I don't have any i8 or later CPUs to test with, but thus far all of my machines with TPMs have reported as not compatible from Microsoft's tool. https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

Here's the actual compatibility doc. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo... TPM 1.2 is the bare minimum required, TPM 2.0 for some security features That's a very far cry from "8th gen Intel required", TPM 1.2 has been around for more than a decade. Odds are you need to change a setting in your BIOS.

Your link shows only Intel >= 8th gen supported.

This link says TPM 2.0 minimum:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica...

And no 1st gen AMD Ryzen supported:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min...

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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> lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? I didn’t watch the video, and your question mark gives me hope: Was this actually said? A horizontal taskbar would be horrible.

You have been able to move the task bar to left/right screen edges for years. If your task bar is not locked, just click and drag it to the window edges. A feature to Left align the buttons has been shown in the leaked builds.

I know, I have been doing that for years. We are talking about the upcoming build though. And it turns out, they all use Portrait mode at MS:

> Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.

-- https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica...

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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> lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? I didn’t watch the video, and your question mark gives me hope: Was this actually said? A horizontal taskbar would be horrible.

They didn't say however in the leaked build last week the taskbar could not be moved to the left, right or top of the screen as it previously could. Hopefully it was just a limitation in that particular developer build.

Doesn’t look like it. Wow.

> Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.

-- https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica...

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Incredibly misleading statement. You just linked to a list of processors for starting development of a new embedded Windows device. 99.9999% of people will never have to concern themselves with this. Microsoft would never limit support to CPUs released a few years ago.

Can you verify this using the verification tool? Reports on the internet say the tool reports machines with earlier generation processors are being flagged as not compatible. I don't have any i8 or later CPUs to test with, but thus far all of my machines with TPMs have reported as not compatible from Microsoft's tool. https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

I am running a Ryzen 2200G (1st gen Zen) on an Asus Tuf B450M-Pro S, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD (GPT). I have fTPM (firmware TPM) enabled in the BIOS. My Windows 10 detects a running TPM 2.0.

I just ran the MS "PC Health Check", and it tells me "This PC cannot run Windows 11" .

This is a brand new machine. I built it 2 months ago. It was the only Ryzen APU available to buy online here in Brazil!

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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I tried switching to Windows about 2 years ago from macOS. I found that the lack of a good replacement for Preview was a real deal breaker for me. I tried a lot of different things to make it work. It wasn't the only thing, but the fact that I spent so much time finding a PDF viewer/light-editor that didn't have adware, was free, and had enough functionality was difficult (in my case I was unsuccessful) on Windows. H…

I'm the opposite. I can't believe that Finder is the best Apple can do for a file explorer. It is an absolute abomination and after 4 years of using my MBP I still hate it passionately every time I have to use it. I agree that preview is nice, as is Spotlight. But for me, OSX is getting too locked down at this point as a "power user". The sandbox makes apps take obscenely long to open like as if I've been teleported…

I'm the opposite. I've never had a complaint about Finder. It's been pleasant to use for years.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Here's the actual compatibility doc. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo... TPM 1.2 is the bare minimum required, TPM 2.0 for some security features That's a very far cry from "8th gen Intel required", TPM 1.2 has been around for more than a decade. Odds are you need to change a setting in your BIOS.

Your link shows only Intel >= 8th gen supported. This link says TPM 2.0 minimum: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifica... And no 1st gen AMD Ryzen supported: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min...

You really need to read before you comment.

Your second link is literally the first thing I replied to in this thread. It's for OEMs making new devices.

And straight from my last comment: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo...

> *devices that meet the soft floor will receive a notification that upgrade is not advised*.

> *Security: TPM Version >= 1.2 and SecureBootCapable = True*

Are you just being willfully ignorant of the fact that this is clearly the more accurate page since it breaks down the requirements into two sets, or...

Again, MS, the company that introduced special code paths for Sim City to run on their OS aren't about to lock their OS to a few years of PCs.

This is no different than other versions of Windows that had increased RAM requirements but would still boot up as long as a bare minimum was met.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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I tried switching to Windows about 2 years ago from macOS. I found that the lack of a good replacement for Preview was a real deal breaker for me. I tried a lot of different things to make it work. It wasn't the only thing, but the fact that I spent so much time finding a PDF viewer/light-editor that didn't have adware, was free, and had enough functionality was difficult (in my case I was unsuccessful) on Windows. H…

Did you try SumatraPDF?

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Again, Microsoft seems to be genuinely incapable of understandng why anyone could havev ever liked the Windows already available. As if that was some crazy unthinkable impossibility. Perhaps at some point between 60 and 90% market share you should stop trying too hard to be like the others and consider the possibility that not everything you've done is wrong?

Judging by their own line of tablet computers, it seems like they genuinely don't understand why anyone in would want a desktop. Which is sad, because Windows 10 is not a nice tablet UI

When you model this kind of befuddlement, assume that it's rational, strategic action intended to secure more money/growth in the short term than the "sane choice", even if that requires a worse user experience.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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I wonder if Microsoft would ever release a flavor of Windows targeted at the user who wants a minimalist but equally powerful OS which gives the user absolute control. Someone who wants local only accounts, bare-bones UI, no tablet or touch screen support, no app stores or telemetry, no integrations, just plain old Windows. Wishful thinking, probably.

Windows server is pretty close to what you want
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