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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by hunter2_ »

samizdis wrote: post #260
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

> Some people have suggested unloading the ship. I don't think you realize the infrastructure required to unload a ship. It seems, though, that a partial unloading is being considered by a professional in the field according to quotes in an article in The Guardian [1]: However, Peter Berdowski, CEO of Boskalis, a specialist dredging company that has sent a crew to the scene, said data so far suggested “it is not real…

Perhaps the classic beached whale clearing technique [0] would work.

[0] https://youtu.be/V6CLumsir34

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by mig39 »

01100011 wrote: post #169
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Could you build a temporary barrier around the ship and the section of the canal, bring in some massive pumps, and temporarily raise the water level around the ship? Edit: Something like this https://www.hydrologicalsolutions.com/aqua-barrier-cofferdam...

Coincidence ... my town is actually installing these in anticipation of a Spring flood.

Here's a drone video I took today!

https://youtu.be/JRe2a-zHDbg

I didn't realize they were water-filled!

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by TylerE »

Aeolun wrote: post #463
nhoughto wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the pressures on the temporary barrier too, and what a failure would mean. Even bigger disaster.

A failure would mean all the water bursts out and the ship is stuck again. I don’t see how that would set us back much?

The spot where the ship is abuts to a town with a 750k pop. There are residential neighborhoods directly adjacent to the canal.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by [deleted] »

as-j wrote: post #571
bamboozled wrote: post #560

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it not be easier to use Chinooks to remove cargo ?

This thing could have 20,000 containers on it. Thankfully it’s a 3rd of a mile long, so maybe you could offload 2 at a time, one helicopter on either end. At 1 container every 5 minutes....working 24 hours per day....that’s 70 days of work.

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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by throwaway41597 »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #131
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

How about creating a mini-dam surrounding the vessel and raising the water level so it can turn. Or stopping the current at 90% of the ship and letting it push to the front ( if it's in the right direction), perhaps in combination with gigantic sails ( if there's enough wind) and/or sucking sand/mud from the bottom.

How would you remove such a dam? Sounds like it'd take weeks to build and weeks to remove?

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by hyperpallium2 »

Panama Canal Authority soon to announce widening capital works.

> As Relay's chief competitor in this region, we of Windsong have benefited modestly from the overflow; however, until now we thought it inappropriate to propose a coordinated response to the problem.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by krick »

blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Ok, since everyone is sharing their solutions, and nobody named the most obvious one, I'll do it: just nuke it from orbit.

Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by [deleted] »

01100011 wrote: post #169
blhack wrote: post #39

I don't think people are giving enough credit to how stuck the ship is. Look at some of the photos of the front of it. Look at how far out of the water it is sitting. The ship might look like that if it were totally empty, but not when it is full of containers like this. Some people saying: just drag it off of the sand. Okay! And what happens when that causes you to rip a hole into the hull of the ship? Now it's real…

Could you build a temporary barrier around the ship and the section of the canal, bring in some massive pumps, and temporarily raise the water level around the ship? Edit: Something like this https://www.hydrologicalsolutions.com/aqua-barrier-cofferdam...

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Re: Is that ship still stuck?

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Post by elihu »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #95
elihu wrote: post #62

I suppose I'll kick off the usual "why don't they just do X" thread. It seems to me that if they can't move it by any normal means, they could just start pushing cargo containers overboard and fish them out until it's light enough to move. I could also a lot of plausible reasons why they wouldn't do that: - it wouldn't work (no equipment to move containers) - the ship's owner doesn't want to do that and no one has th…

> they could just start pushing cargo containers overboard and fish them out until it's light enough to move Light boats are less stable. One of the few that could make this situation worse would be the damn thing capsizing.

The center of gravity on that ship looks like it could only be improved by chucking containers overboard. On the other hand, chucking them over the side one by one might be harder than just pushing a whole column over but making that kind of sudden weight change might not be good.

I wonder what the options even are for removing the containers? I assume they're very securely strapped on most of the time, and maybe there's not any reasonable way to get any of the containers loose outside of a port without making the whole pile unstable.

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