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Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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>I prefer a full size keyboard. Also every laptop has a different - stupid - keyboard layout.

'Fn' on the bottom left and 'Ctrl' to the right of it. ARGH!

ASUS: let me place the power button where the delete button should be placed!

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can repla…

I love desktops, but I have to admit that it's pretty great having a built-in UPS. To get the equivalent for my desktop is an extra $200+ and a big honking box that apparently will only last for 30 minutes when the power goes out.

Another option is solar panels + big battery.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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The trend in laptops has been for longer battery life and less heat. Since there haven't been any major breakthroughs in battery technology or mobile processor power (at least from Intel), this means lower power for processors and generally lower performance in general. Almost all laptops are using ultra low voltage Intel chips. And even the ones that don't, except for high end gaming laptops, thermally throttle ALL…

I know you put the Intel disclaimer in there, but I just bought a laptop with an AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS and am loving it. It has me pretty hyped to get an AMD processor for the first time for my desktop when the 5900 launches in November. But the laptop chip has far exceeded my expectations.

Which laptop is that?

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Is that actually true anymore? I mean, hardware wise they are not much faster, but cooling is a different story.

I didn't see any specific numbers in reply to your comment, so I just want to point out that base clock Ghz for Intel and AMD is much higher for desktop CPUs than laptops. For your average click-read cycle, this feels better. At full load, it depends on the heat dissipation; Dell's Precision 7XX0 dissipates heat well enough to keep the CPUs from throttling, but the 5XX0 does not.

Which form factor of the Dell's 7XX0 are you talking about?

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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From the article: "What worries me as much as the end of general-purpose computing for the masses is that so few seem to understand that it is ending." Correction: Has Ended. The vast majority of people using computers has shifted to phones and tablets. I have a friend who's a millenial who barely knows how to use his desktop PC (It's a Mac) but is fluent on his iPad/iPhone. Most people are not content creators, they…

I use a modern desktop with Arch Linux and KDE. I stopped using Windows ~10 years ago and not looking back.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can repla…

I've worked on a laptop for the past decade but I use a dedicated keyboard, mouse almost exclusively and a large 34'' monitor (2x24 previously). Advantages of using a laptop : - portability - I work as a consultant and I need to work on premises occasionally - if I had to switch between desktop/laptop it would be too cumbersome - standalone when you need it - when I travel or am on vacation I usually need to do a few…

On the topic of undervolting, I run Bootcamp with a 2019 MBP 16 (i9) and it cannot play games like Rocket League without discharging despite being plugged into a 100W adapter. I have even tried disabling Turbo Boost. Incredibly disappointing.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Passmark and Geekbench are decent CPU benchmarks for general performance and indeed both show about a 2X multi-threaded difference: * https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-1185G7-vs-Inte... * https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/compare/4354735?baselin... These are short tests too, so would be a best case. In real life, laptop performance is probably significantly worse due to thermal throttling.

You also have to watch out for the powersupply of the laptop. Some companies give you a 70-90 W even though your computer needs 120 W at high load, counting on the battery giving the extra juice for the short bursts. If you do long processor intensive work, the computer just might shut down on you or if you are lucky, start throttling.

Yeah, this seems to be an unfortunate recent trend in some gaming laptops, presumably in a bid to save some weight and/or cost, but luckily, it still seems rare enough that any time it happens, the manufacturers still get called out on it in reviews. Usually, the power drain is when CPU+GPU are maxed out, not one or the other. I suppose if you did manage to get into a situation where this was an issue, you could find a bigger power supply. Up to about 180W these tend to be common and reasonably priced, then size and weight start going up dramatically.

While we're mentioning other minor gotchas, another one is memory latency and bandwidth. While desktop systems commonly have XMP and 1.35V support, very few laptops do (typically running at JEDEC timings at 1.2V). While there's diminishing returns, the difference between JEDEC 2933 CL21 or 3200 CL22 and say 3800 CL16 can actually be noticeable in certain workloads and is often effectively "free" (one-click in the BIOS) extra performance on the desktops.

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> It's hard to find a full size bluetooth keyboard. not only is that hard, it's hard to find a bluetooth keyboard that isn't laggy as heck and doesn't occasionally freeze for a second or five. Or just give up until you re-pair it. Maybe one of the next 20 that I try... > How big, you ask? A wall size retina display! I've wanted one for 40 years. I have always thought, since Digital Research GEM, that the "desktop" in…

> it's hard to find a bluetooth keyboard that isn't laggy as heck and doesn't occasionally freeze for a second or five Never had any issue like that with my full-size Apple Magic Keyboard. It Just Works™

This has been my experience, too. The full size Apple Magic Keyboard Works great with my MacBook Pro, no lag, no delays waking up, charge lasts weeks, plug it in with a lightning cable, and it charges while it works like as an USB HID keyboard, even works with my Raspberry Pi. The only challenge is that after about 5 years of daily use, a few of the keycaps are wearing down.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I will never do a wireless keyboard. The idea of trusting a company to properly encrypt my wireless keystrokes is laughable. My security is far more important than cable management thanks.

If you are concerned about your keystrokes being broadcast wirelessly (which is a reasonable concern), I remember from a video or something I saw a long time ago that there was success in reconstructing keys pressed by the sound waves they make. Modern methods are probably better.

I'll bet sound-based skimming is even more feasible with the resurgence of mechanical keyboards (particularly among those most paranoid about these things)
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