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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order that closed businesses

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Post by ric2b » Tue, May 19, 2020, 11:21 AM UTC

dtwest wrote: post #368

ric2b wrote: post #348

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You just went and cherry-picked 3 of the most impacted countries in Europe, not very convincing. I can just as easily pick 3 of the least and tell you a completely different story.

I am simply stating there are more deaths in Europe than in the US. I can prove that with only 3 countries. Please don't interpret my statement as a comment on each individual country. There seems to be miscommunication here.

Europe also has double the population of the US.

And even you ajust for population you then should also take into account how densely populated, etc. It's hard to make fair comparisons.

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order that closed businesses

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Post by r_c_a_d » Fri, May 22, 2020, 9:26 AM UTC

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #376

matthewheath wrote: post #359

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> something about the time for experts is over, something like that, can anyone recall? Michael Gove said, during the Brexit referendum, that "people in this country have had enough of experts".[1] -- [1] https://www.ft.com/content/3be49734-29cb-11e6-83e4-abc22d5d1...

That's the one, thanks.

I don't like Gove, so it feels strange for me to "defend" him, but this is an interesting quote that keeps coming up.

In a later interview [1] he said this:

"When I was being interviewed on Sky by Faisal Islam, he put it to me that there were a number of economists and organizations of economic prestige that questioned the arguments for leaving the European Union and said that it would be a mistake if we did. I countered it by saying people have had enough of experts from organizations with acronyms that have got things so wrong in the past. And Faisal Islam, as a skilled interrogator, cut me off half way, so while I completed my sentence he took the first half and said ‘people have had enough experts?’ and used that as a fencing posture in the interview itself."

[1] https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/michael-gove-tro...

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order that closed businesses

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Post by asabjorn » Fri, May 22, 2020, 1:28 PM UTC

asabjorn wrote: post #597

unclebucknasty wrote: post #595

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We're getting to the point where I'm having to argue that water is wet, so I can't tell if you're being serious or trolling me at this point. And, now that you've played the "tyranny" card, it's easy to read your mischaracterizations as deliberate pseudoscientific pretense in the service of something else. Still , I will answer in good faith. Are the droplets on which the virus is carried all exactly .06 to 0.14 micr…

You accuse me of misrepresenting while doing it yourself and provide outliers to justify your point: 1) N95 effectiveness: Edit: parent seem correct that it protect others against sneezes as long as it doesn’t leak out through sides due to sneeze velocity. See NIH links below [2,4]. However, if a person have virus particles on mask and touch it before touching other surfaces the mask may be a liability. Then again, i…

On #1: I continued researching after the interesting evidence from parent.

To anyone interested this is an overview of multiple studies of N95 usage and it’s efficiency in stopping covid spread [1].

TLDR; The results for flu studies show no conclusive efficiency, there are no covid studies, and many studies show negative health effects of the healthy using masks; breathing in virus through nasal passage causing infection to spread where it otherwise wouldn’t, hypoxia causing lower immune response and other negative health effects, etc

[1] https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-seriou...

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order that closed businesses

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Post by Fjolsvith » Wed, May 27, 2020, 11:34 PM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #536

Fjolsvith wrote: post #477

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> Is that fair to someone you then infect out in public? Why is it that for all of history this hasn't been an issue for infectious diseases until now?

It's funny you have no clue that the state used to run Tuberculosis sanitariums. Hint the imates didn't have a choice. New York had a sanitarium where they sent people with infectious diseases unless they had a physician to vouch for their care. Public health authorities would quarantine families for scarlet fever. They'd put as a red notice on your door. All perfectly legal.

Quarantine is where you restrict the movement of sick people.

Tyranny is where you restrict the movement of healthy people.