Highest French court reclassifies Uber drivers as employees

Post by darkwizard42 » Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 11:08 PM UTC

banannaise wrote: post #579

darkwizard42 wrote: post #290

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The driver does however set their own hours, can go online and offline at choosing, can reject or choose a ride if they wish, and can freely choose the method by which they fulfill a ride (there is no set route a driver must take). Not sure this is as clear as it seems.

They're not free to choose the method of fulfillment at all. They can't stop at 7-11 on the way, nor can they complete the route with a rickshaw, nor can they subcontract it. They can't pick up additional passengers except by Uber's explicit permission. That freedom reduces to "they're free to optimize the route to get there quickly" which is a freedom you have at just about any job. I can decide how to code most eff…

When you get hired as a construction contractor to finish a job, you don't get to kick back and do whatever you want while the job is "active."

You can choose to work on the roof before the windows if you want, but ultimately you have to deliver a completed project.

Post by smcphile » Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 8:29 AM UTC

timwaagh wrote: post #598

smcphile wrote: post #588

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No, the French government would not accept not being able to pay pensions. But the French government would still be able to pay pensions, even if everyone were self-employed. The self-employed do already pay into pensions. Additionally, while there are currently 42 different pension plans in France, depending on your line of work, under Macron there's an evolution towards having just one government pension plan for e…

Maybe I'm mistaken. I thought a pay it forward system like what we have here is pretty unique. So workers do not pay for pensioners directly then? At any rate it can't be much what they're paying because the rates are too low.

I don’t follow your reasoning, but just for information the state pension plans of both the Netherlands and France work on a “pay as you go” basis.

Throughout your career, you build up the right to a certain pension in each of the different pension plans you’ve been paying into. When you retire, those who are still working and paying into that plan pay for your pension (as you did when you were working).

I can’t vouch that it works this way for all 42 different plans, as I haven’t checked, but I’ve worked both as an employee and as a freelance consultant and it works that way for the 4 different pension plans that I’ve paid into. And, as I said, in the future there will be only one state plan for everyone (plus various private plans as well, of course).

So I see no problem with everyone in France being self-employed and France continuing to pay out pensions.

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