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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by have_faith »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #595
have_faith wrote: post #594

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I'm talking about the basic principles of advertising. A simple sign in the street is advertising, as is a static graphic on a niche hobby website advertising products from a company people within that community respect. There's nothing wrong with letting people know your products exist. The problem is always in the execution. > They distort the product market as they favour those players with the highest marketing b…

>I don't see any alternative to letting people make claims and making laws to stop them blatantly lying. What is the "best" product in any category? How does the best product surface in front of me without advertising in any context? Are you aware of the concept of independent product reviews that you can build trust to and seek out on your own if you are interested in them? >Advertising is a part of it, sure, but it…

> concept of independent product reviews

How did these original purchasers find out about these products in order to buy and review them? How do I know they aren't receiving products for free or more subtly being specific in what products they will or won't review in order to spin a narrative. I'm a big fan of good product reviews but this doesn't solve advertisings problems it just introduces new ones.

I'm not really sure how businesses survive in a world where they are not allowed to advertise their products or where they are located? It feels very artificially prescribed in how you think people should discover something.

Like you I don't even like ads, and I would rather not see them but I don't advocate for them not to be able to exist, just for my right to block them or in the real world for them to no intrude unnecessarily.

What solution do you envisage to the problem of ads as you see it? to ban them entirely?

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Post by lawtalkinghuman »

jimmydorry wrote: post #409
lawtalkinghuman wrote: post #278

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I'm reasonably sure USD (or EUR) will still exist, have some reasonably similar value, and be usable in five years. There are quite a lot of crypto tokens I do not have anywhere near that level of confidence in.

Try using USD or EUR at 5 or more decimal points.

A creator would be far better served with coming up with a monetisation model that means they can make USD/EUR/whatever from Patreon (or their own PayPal/Stripe subscription etc.), than hoping for tiny nano-payments of cryptodosh from a niche interest web browser.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by wheresvic3 »

This is a pretty cool idea - I'm not sure how intrusive the OS notification are going to be but I'm willing to give it a shot as long as they don't collect any personal info on me.

I just signed up as a content creator and added my website as a channel - interestingly my website already had some bat associated with it. Does this mean that some people have already donated some BAT to it?

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by andirk »

PKop wrote: post #421
Drakim wrote: post #391

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These are common criticisms against cryptocurrency in general, and the answer is pretty much this: Normally, to accept digital donations, I'd need to have something like a Paypal account, and follow their terms of service (or that of another company like Patreon). If I do anything that company doesn't like, like produce and sell fireworks or draw porn, they will forbid me from using their service and users will be un…

Absolutely, and so we're back to (in my opinion) the main valid arguments for cryptocurrency: censorship resistant transactions, and store of value through absolute scarcity immune to political desire to debauch fiat money. The second case arguably devolves, game-theory wise to the market never valuing subsequent new currencies with much significance compared to Bitcoin. It's the same argument I made above, just repl…

Important to note that the Brave browser + BAT are also achieving a more private browsing experience compared to a corporate browser and 3rd party ads allowing the tech to be abused to gather as much data on you as possible.

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Post by tuesdayrain »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #443
nybble41 wrote: post #277

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So don't opt-in. There are other ways to acquire BAT and support the sites you visit in Brave besides watching ads.

No. You don't understand. It's not enough for me not to see ads anymore. I want the advertising industry to die. The entire thing. Its existence is harmful to society.

Old man yells at clouds

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Post by 0x49d1 »

bvda wrote: post #26
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I wonder why they chose to use (yet another) crypto currency for this.

Not another.. BAT is Ethereum ERC20 token: https://etherscan.io/token/0x0d8775f648430679a709e98d2b0cb62...

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Post by usaar333 »

alwillis wrote: post #538
djsumdog wrote: post #358

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I preferred the Flattr model, of just paying the content creators directly without the ad middle ground. I don't really see why I should use Brave over something like Firefox with uBlock Origin. I actually drop people on Patreon when they start adding ads or sponsors into their podcasts or videos. I would rather people be fully supported by their fans instead of double dipping into both fan support and adverts.

I don't really see why I should use Brave over something like Firefox with uBlock Origin. Because ad blockers are just add-ons, they can be circumvented. Also, many ad blockers allow advertisers to pay them to allow their ads to get through: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:G3lu90...

What makes an extension easier to circumvent?

Your second sentence is true for adblock plus, but not ublock origin

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by spurgu »

_bxg1 wrote: post #17

I tried out Brave ~3 years ago when it was still Electron-based, and it was unfortunately too laggy to be a daily driver. Then I tried it out again ~6 months ago after they'd switched it to being a Chromium fork. The speed was much-improved, but it suddenly started spamming me with push notifications about various features, Brave rewards, etc. I felt like I was blocking web ads just to get native ads instead. You can…

This is interesting, I've been using Brave for well over a year and I've never seen a single push notification...

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Post by dannyw »

herdrick wrote: post #590
spir wrote: post #192

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I spend a lot of time studying blockchain and Ethereum and wanted to clarify your remarks. You need some sort of cryptocurrency for this as microtransactions don't really work in the legacy system. Yes, you're right: Ethereum has lower transaction costs, lower non-monetary transaction costs, and ERC20 tokens are interoperable with other Ethereum-based services. Also by using their own token they can boot strap the ec…

> Projects like Augur and MakerDAO must have their own token or they wouldn't work at all Why?

For MakerDAO, there is basically the "DAO shareholders" who profit from fees, but are the ones who will lose if the peg is not resolved. And for the other token, DAI, it needs a $1 peg and not pegged to etheruem.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by cyborgx7 »

have_faith wrote: post #601
cyborgx7 wrote: post #595

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>I don't see any alternative to letting people make claims and making laws to stop them blatantly lying. What is the "best" product in any category? How does the best product surface in front of me without advertising in any context? Are you aware of the concept of independent product reviews that you can build trust to and seek out on your own if you are interested in them? >Advertising is a part of it, sure, but it…

> concept of independent product reviews How did these original purchasers find out about these products in order to buy and review them? How do I know they aren't receiving products for free or more subtly being specific in what products they will or won't review in order to spin a narrative. I'm a big fan of good product reviews but this doesn't solve advertisings problems it just introduces new ones. I'm not reall…

>How did these original purchasers find out about these products in order to buy and review them?

Professional reviewers already find out directly fron the product creators. They want to be contacted by them and even seek out contact. This problem is already solved. In general, they certainly don't learn about products from advertising.

>How do I know they aren't receiving products for free or more subtly being specific in what products they will or won't review in order to spin a narrative. I'm a big fan of good product reviews but this doesn't solve advertisings problems it just introduces new ones.

I generally don't have a problem with professional reviewers recieving products for free to review them. If they get paid to push a certain product, while pretending they are a neutral source of information, I would consider this fraud.

>What solution do you envisage to the problem of ads as you see it? to ban them entirely?

Yes, I advocate banning advertising and I hope to contribute to support to put that measure into place.

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