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Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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Is there anyone that even knows what "Domain join" means? If the button was there but hidden, would that count as "still there"? What if it was there but labeled "Click here to brick your computer"?

Anybody who has ever administered Windows PCs professionally at work should know what it means. I would not expect home users to know or care.

I have used Windows PCs at work extensively. I had no idea that 'Domain join' could mean 'create an offline account'.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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However, OP is not talking about a mobile device, but a PC. The PC is in the same device bracket as Macs. And Apple does not provide Macs "as computer as a service". Everything works with a local account. I don't even need to have an Apple ID. The OS also remembers your choice of disabling telemetry, without resetting it after the next update. Apple provides managed and unmanaged. Microsoft appears not to provide unm…

> Everything works with a local account. I don't even need to have an Apple ID. Like App Store? Or are we talking about "for varying degrees of 'everything'"?

"Everything works" means every aspect of the operating system works. If you are dependent on apps from the App Store, go use the App Store. The process is similar to buying them via a vendor or installing games via Steam. For those who really need that, it's there. But it's not necessary.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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This is incredibly bad. In general I have a positive opinion about what MS is doing lately, but Windows is a glaring exception, it’s getting worse and worse at an alarming rate. In the last two months we had two consecutive updates that broke basic functionality for users who disabled web results in Windows Search (which is a very common setting among those who care about privacy) https://www.zdnet.com/article/window…

Games is literally the only reason keeping me installing Windows. Hoping this changes with some viable alternative.

Proton (Steam's custom WINE) is really really good (you can turn it on for all games). Of course it still breaks games that use excessive DRM, but I avoid those games anyway.

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Games is literally the only reason keeping me installing Windows. Hoping this changes with some viable alternative.

> Games is literally the only reason keeping me installing Windows. Hoping this changes with some viable alternative. If you have the money and the space for a second computer, use the computer with Windows for that specialized task and use a real* computer for everything else? We've been whining about this nonsense for over two years now and I think we need to take a hint. * that does not force you to restart at its…

The barriers to using both is really only a question of disk space. Dual booting isn't difficult (just install Windows first).

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Games is literally the only reason keeping me installing Windows. Hoping this changes with some viable alternative.

Are PC games that important?

It's a multi-billion dollar industry, is this a real question?

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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> Games is literally the only reason keeping me installing Windows. Hoping this changes with some viable alternative. If you have the money and the space for a second computer, use the computer with Windows for that specialized task and use a real* computer for everything else? We've been whining about this nonsense for over two years now and I think we need to take a hint. * that does not force you to restart at its…

The barriers to using both is really only a question of disk space. Dual booting isn't difficult (just install Windows first).

Dual booting isn't "difficult", but is frought with a lot of little issues that probably should be understood. Ex: UEFI Boot vs Legacy BIOS. Bootloaders, Grub vs Windows bootloader, etc. etc.

I prefer buying a 2nd flash drive and dual-booting across different drives entirely, so that Windows / Linux don't even share the same bootloader. Its not like $200 for another 1TB Flash drive is expensive, and apparently I need the space anyway.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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As someone who uses Windows for industrial PCs, I'm pretty appalled. We've been hanging on to Windows 7, including side-loading drivers into the installation image for modern hardware, because this kind of stuff that Windows 10 does is in these cases simply unacceptable (random tip: Go for AMD, their Windows 7 support is way better than Intel, do not use Intel chipset series 300). I can't have PCs bogged down downloa…

I'm pretty sure Windows 10 LTSB exists for this specific use case

Probably. But we went from "Here's an operating system available for everyone, consumer and corporate alike!" to "This one's for consumer, this one's for corporate" and MS and their distributors would be fools not to capitalize on that.

In other words, as a business, you now have less choice in distributors, which will increase the investment cost for an operating system. And then there's the whole privacy issue on top of that, too.

It's just a mess, and the customers are intended to take the brunt of it. I want to say "No, thank you" and I'm currently figuring out if that's viable, i.e. Linux.

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Quick poll: https://linkto.run/p/NGWCZJO1

And your poll is showing most people here run Windows.

Currently the poll is 56%. It's barely a majority. My original commenting, say "many" don't use Windows, seems quite reasonable. Granted, this poll shouldn't be considered authoritative.

Re: Microsoft has removed the “use offline account” option when installing Windows

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“They have not removed it, it just is not visible by default if you are connected to the internet. Either run the setup without being connected to the internet, or type in a fake phone number a few times and it will give you the prompt to create a local account.”

I've been installing Windows 10 w/o an active network connection since its release. Sounds like that'll become a more common thing for others.

Maybe you do the same thing as me: only connect the internet once everything is done and all bloat has been removed
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