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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by striking » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

aedron wrote: post #524

the_angry_angel wrote: post #426

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How well does the auto wipe behave on Tesla’s? I’ve owned multiple cars with the feature over the last 10 years - the only one which has ever got it close was a Lexus (quite some time ago). The rest I’ve had and still need to constantly police.

It's a solved problem on newer cars. What I want next is an automatic sunscreen that slides down based on sensing the angle of the sunlight. I think there is also technology to dynamically darken glass that could be used. I hereby grant a free perpetual license to auto manufacturers to use this idea. :)

> I think there is also technology to dynamically darken glass that could be used.

Looked into it previously. Even if you got it to work, it likely would not be street legal, as there are pretty strict regulations on what part of the windshield can or cannot be tinted.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by chris11 » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

benj111 wrote: post #445

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Look carefully, it isn't going the wrong way: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kennedy+Park+Pl,+Californi... It's just a really bad parking lot design. Regardless, Smart Summon doesn't currently care about things like directionality in a parking lot. This version doesn't try to do anything fancy like reading markings on the pavement. The app will show you on a satellite map the route that the car is planning to go,…

"This version doesn't try to do anything fancy like reading markings on the pavement" Isnt that below minimum viable product for something expected to be used with other people around? "As the person supervising its behavior" I'm sure Uber said the same thing to the drivers on its self driving program. We all know human nature though, it isn't right to abdicate responsibility to someone you know is going to start bli…

> As a non Tesla owner, I don't want to be an inadvertent beta tester for these technologies.

Yeah, that's my one major concern with Tesla autopilot. I don't like the difference in their advertising and autopilot's actual capability.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by chris11 » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:19 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #199

tidepod12 wrote: post #109

Bit of a bad look that the video clip showing Smart Summon shows the Tesla driving the wrong direction down a one-way lane... This might be a situation where Tesla Smart Summon works only when Tesla's are still rare. In areas where they are more common, I imagine a traffic jam of confused driverless Teslas trying to move past each other but get stuck in a small lane like the one in the video.

Owner of a Tesla model 3. Summon is the canary in the coal mine. As in, unless it shows signs of life then the fairy tale of self driving cars is just that, a fairy tale. If they cannot get a safe an accurate summon to work why should I ever believe my car will ever drive on its own. Do I believe it will come, not for years. My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign, maybe version 10 will help on that. I doubt i…

> My car cannot even identify a speed limit sign.

Does it pick up any speed limit signs? I have a newer Corolla and the camera in that car will pick up speed limit signs. It's detection wouldn't be good enough for autopilot, but it is helpful.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:20 PM UTC

Fins wrote: post #583

xedeon wrote: post #340

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> Can we please stop with ridiculous BS about evil shortsellers? Have you been living under a rock? I didn't even know about the insane short interest and the countess $TSLAQ Twitter trolls until I became a Tesla owner. Which is apparently been there since the early days. Is it BS because it does not fit your narrative? or is it a baseless claim? If so, can you please cite sources? > Would you believe that it's marti…

There is no "insane short interest" in Tesla. Just because Elon might want you to think that it is some nefarious conspiracy and not Tesla's incompetency in many aspects of making a car (pretty much anything pother than making the best available electric powertrain, really) and his personal douchebaggery that are causing problems. That canard about Tesla being the most shorted stock on the planet since the beginning…

> There is no "insane short interest" in Tesla. Just because Elon might want you to think that it is some nefarious conspiracy....

Really? Because Elon said so you think I blindly believe it? What a snooty baseless statement.

What is this then? https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/tsla/short-int...

Also this: http://shortsqueeze.com/shortinterest/stock/TSLA.htm

More: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslainvestorsclub/comments/brj8zf/...

Should I go on? Let's stick to just facts, and get off your high horse.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by prongletown » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:20 PM UTC

Fins wrote: post #274

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I think you may be confusing Android Auto with Android for Cars. The former is the mobile app and headunit-only integration (audio controls) via video stream, which requires minimal integration with the vehicle. The other is Android repurposed for headunits, with full car integration, such as Volvo's integration. Car manufacturers of luxury cars shy away from Android Auto partially because they believe it turns one o…

Then why do current Audis have perfectly fine Android Auto integration?

Because Audi views themselves as a performance brand over a luxury brand. They're also hungrier and thus more responsive to consumer demand.

BMW allows carplay with a monthly subscription to the rest of their services, largely because they believe that as long as you're getting the full benefit of a connected car, you'll be attached to the value - strategically, it makes no sense for them to give it away from free.

The other thing? These companies are starting to change their mind as consumers demand it as a feature.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by prongletown » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:21 PM UTC

zepearl wrote: post #215

prongletown wrote: post #154

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I think you may be confusing Android Auto with Android for Cars. The former is the mobile app and headunit-only integration (audio controls) via video stream, which requires minimal integration with the vehicle. The other is Android repurposed for headunits, with full car integration, such as Volvo's integration. Car manufacturers of luxury cars shy away from Android Auto partially because they believe it turns one o…

Thx for the definitions - useful/interesting (but I did not doublecheck them, hehe) :) > which requires minimal integration with the vehicle My guess: maybe VW is scared of a potential "which CURRENTLY requires minimal integration with the vehicle" (I imagine that the push for more and more integration will increase in the future) and therefore decided to give it a try now and not to become passively dependent on Goo…

The branding is confusing. It gets worse, the deeper you get into car technology.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:26 PM UTC

radium3d wrote: post #596

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Okay, but you're only looking at the (very minor) difference in user experience, without looking at all you're giving up. How easy is it to repair your A/C? If you can't or don't want to repair it yourself, can you hire someone other than Tesla to do it? Is not having to turn a knob worth having your car collect a bunch of personal data on you? In accordance with Parkinson's Law of Triviality[1], the only discussion…

Another user mentioned the Bollinger brand, they are making their EV's completely analog -- even more analog than ICE cars, their philosophy may be right up your alley. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like they're going for mass market (yet). You should also look into how the A/C system works on the model 3, it's fascinating how simple it really is. It literally uses air to push the air up and down. This reduces the c…

> Another user mentioned the Bollinger brand, they are making their EV's completely analog -- even more analog than ICE cars, their philosophy may be right up your alley. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like they're going for mass market (yet).

Yeah, I saw that other comment and if the reality is even close to the marketing materials, those are gonna be awesome vehicles. I probably wouldn't get one new unless the price is very low (the benefits of buying new aren't worth the loss in value that happens when you drive a new car off the lot, IMO). So by the time they start hitting the used market I expect the reality will be clearer.

> You should also look into how the A/C system works on the model 3, it's fascinating how simple it really is. It literally uses air to push the air up and down. This reduces the complexity with less moving parts. It's a very genius system IMO.

I dunno, it's simpler in that there are fewer moving parts, but from the video it seems like part of how that was achieved was by using existing plastic molding and whatnot to direct the air, which makes it harder to replace i.e. one duct in isolation--it's not very modular. And having simpler moving parts is a small decrease in complexity compared to the increased complexity of digital controls. Of course it's hard to tell from the video, so that impression has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by crististm » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

dewski wrote: post #588

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I'm more than slightly annoyed that it starts with "choose menu"!!! The demo person is constantly looking at his screen instead of in front of him.

For example, here is Audi's A/C controls in all of their new vehicles: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iETfhnSPY1JjSZPcq6xIwpXaw/ZWE... You not only have to take a hand off the steering wheel, but also look to see which lever you want/need to press. If I'm changing the temperature I know where the dial is, but I also have to look to see what I'm setting it to. I'm surprised people here think analog controls are a bull…

We're criticizing bad UI design and the attitude that digital touch interface is automatically without fault and order of magnitudes superior to whatever was established in the last hundred years.

You can make bad UI with or without buttons.

Remember VCR clock controls?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kerkeslager » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

marvin wrote: post #589

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As an M3 user I can confirm. Boy is it a thrill driving a car you have no instrumentation for! You can't even see how fast you're going.

Whenever I drive, it's perfectly located in my peripheral vision and easy to check. I even feel that moving it a bit out from the center actually encourages to keep my attention on the road rather than the instruments.

> Whenever I drive, it's perfectly located in my peripheral vision and easy to check.

...which is obviously irrelevant, if you've read the grandparent comment of your comment. Please read context before responding.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by dewski » Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 5:42 PM UTC

crististm wrote: post #608

dewski wrote: post #588

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For example, here is Audi's A/C controls in all of their new vehicles: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iETfhnSPY1JjSZPcq6xIwpXaw/ZWE... You not only have to take a hand off the steering wheel, but also look to see which lever you want/need to press. If I'm changing the temperature I know where the dial is, but I also have to look to see what I'm setting it to. I'm surprised people here think analog controls are a bull…

We're criticizing bad UI design and the attitude that digital touch interface is automatically without fault and order of magnitudes superior to whatever was established in the last hundred years. You can make bad UI with or without buttons. Remember VCR clock controls?

I don't know if anyone has said digital touch is superior, I don't think it is. It's just a different way of solving the same problem. Can it be updated in the future unlike analog? Yep. Can you feel it with your hands like you can with analog? Nope.

I feel like I see more people saying first that digital is terrible and it should be analog, that they'll never get a car that has digital. The reasons they list are still true for analog though.