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Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by spraak »

alfonsodev wrote: post #593
spraak wrote: post #590

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I made a custom plate that sits over the default keyboard and I put my own better keyboard on top. I've been kinda curious if anyone else would buy one if I produced them for a nominal fee.

do you have pictures to see how it looks? I'm not sure exactly what you mean, why do you need the plate? for extra stability ? I've seen a colleague carrying a wireless keyboard with the macbook >2016, and putting it on top of the macbook directly, no plate.

Hm, I have the new MacBook Pro 15in and if I don't use the plate my own keyboard presses buttons on the default keyboard.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by ggregoire »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #148
rev12 wrote: post #121

It seems like there are two camps of people: Those who are very pleased to hear they will be backpedaling on their updated keyboard designs. Those who "don't understand" because they actually like the new keyboards (and the TouchBar even). No matter where you stand, the new keyboards are highly controversial and divisive, and that's not good. The old keyboards didn't put people into opposing sides, they just were the…

I'm in the former camp and I don't really know a lot of people that own Apple products that actually have anything positive to say about either the keyboard or the touchbar. So the other camp is probably pretty small. I know a disturbingly large number of people that already had keyboard replacement (multiple in several cases) and the only reason I haven't gone in myself yet is that not having a laptop for a week plu…

I know a lot of people who prefer the new keyboard, including people who have had technical issues with it.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by ggregoire »

Fnoord wrote: post #116
WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #31

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The problem with the design is that it breaks, not that it is otherwise bad. I prefer it over the older design, as do many others.

That is the main problem with it. * It breaks. * It makes a lot of noise. * It has almost no travel. I really dislike #2 and #3 but to their credit it is thin (which I don't care much about). You can argue about #2 and #3 being subjective which is fair enough (the same is true for it being thin). However #1 is not subjective, and doesn't occur in a "few isolated cases". It is a proven design issue. What I'd furthermo…

> * It makes a lot of noise.

You don't work with people using mechanical keyboards, right?

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by waterhouse »

Anarch157a wrote: post #557
efficax wrote: post #466

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> If you use the escape key often, it should be where caps-lock is. Mac OS X even has a built-in setting for this. Blasphemy. Caps lock should be banished from all keyboards and replaced with control.

> Caps lock should be banished from all keyboards Blasphemy! How am I supposed to type variable names in Bash without it ?

I realize this is a joke, but when typing e.g. "echo $ITERM_PROFILE", you have to press shift anyway to type the $ and any subsequent _'s, and I find it considerably easier to hold down the shift key, type the whole word, and release, instead of: press shift for $, release, press caps lock, release and press shift for _, release, type rest of word, and disable caps lock at the end.

Seriously, the only non-facetious use case (CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL) for caps lock that I've ever encountered is how EV Nova uses it as the 2x speed toggle. And even then, its open source successor Endless Sky emulates the same behavior even when I have caps lock still mapped to ctrl.

Does anyone have a real use case for caps lock? I'm even willing to accept a serious, no-kidding "YES I ACTUALLY TYPE IN ALL CAPS MOST OF THE TIME WHEN CHATTING WITH MY FRIENDS AND IT'S EASIER" as an answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_Lock#History and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter#Shift_key give some background. "However, because the shift key required more force to push (its mechanism was moving a much larger mass than other keys), and was operated by the little finger (normally the weakest finger on the hand), it was difficult to hold the shift down for more than two or three consecutive strokes. The "shift lock" key (the precursor to the modern caps lock) allowed the shift operation to be maintained indefinitely." This seems not very applicable to modern keyboards.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by ggregoire »

shawkinaw wrote: post #303

Am I the only person who likes the butterfly keyboard? I like the feel of the low travel and the clickiness, whenever I use an old style MacBook the keys feel mushy. I have had reliability problems though. Mostly I’ve had keys that don’t respond, but have always been able to fix those with compressed air. But once I had a sticky key that popped every other time I pressed it, that required a free Apple repair.

No, but it's kinda normal to hear mostly people who hate it.

Especially on Hacker News where people have such strong opinions about these things.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by lostgame »

I think one of the bigger failures with the Touch Bar is that it's not available for a desktop computer - it would be far more advantageous for developers to support it in useful ways and invest developer time in it, if we could buy an external one, especially for an iMac Pro, for instance, where it could be included. My two cents.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

noisy_boy wrote: post #492
screye wrote: post #465

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With Jony Ive gone, I hope they finally move towards function over form. From what I've been reading, the push for portraying Apple as a fashion company, came directly from Ive's side.

That portrayal has been making them good money.

We don’t know how much more they would have made if they were actually creating good products.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by lostgame »

pier25 wrote: post #257
RayVR wrote: post #144

Having used the 2018 MacBook Air for about 3 months now, I can say I really detest it and I would return it if that were possible. 1) the keyboard. This thing really feels like slamming your fingers into a metal slab. I think my iPad Pro keyboard is better. The MacBook Air keyboard is also very loud. For something with so little depth the sound is shocking. 2) the webcam. Total garbage. In a laptop this expensive I t…

> Like they knowingly released something that was a stop-gap PoS. That happened with the iPad 3. It was replaced 6 months later since its SOC was totally underpowered for its retina display.

My iPad 2 vastly outperforms my iPad 3...this is very much true.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by arvinsim »

LeonidasXIV wrote: post #133
arvinsim wrote: post #127

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It's pretty hard to go back to membrane or scissor switches when one has gotten used to a mechanical keyboard. When I bough the small Magic Keyboard 2 for use with my midi controller(I needed a bluetooth keyboard), it took me weeks to adjust. It felt like banging on a flat table for a while.

The Anne Pro 2 is mechanical and has bluetooth, maybe an alternative for you?

I have the original Anne Pro actually :)

The problem is that I badly need a separate escape key(Vim user) and function keys. Switching the keyboard layout is just too much of a hassle.

The Vortex Tab 75 will fit my needs. Shame that it wasn't release months ago.

Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook

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Post by Bud »

keldaris wrote: post #358
stickfigure wrote: post #305

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I just last week bought a pristine, maxed-out 2015 MacBook Pro. Yet I think you're wrong about most of this. * I hate magsafe. I've owned a dozen of these and almost all of them have come apart just behind the magsafe connector. Expensive, proprietary, and fragile. I would much much rather have USB-C than shell out $90 every two years. * USB-C is great. A bunch of different ports means carrying a bunch of different c…

> I don't want a sexy svelte fragile expensive luxury status symbol. I want a rugged capital good that will reliably allow me to work for the next half-decade. Then why are you looking at Apple products at all? You're looking for a ThinkPad or an EliteBook. Fragile expensive luxury status symbols are exactly what Apple makes and always has ever since Jobs. Now they're just more blatant about it.

That's just plain nonsense, and reveals that you've never actually supported 100 or 1000 laptops at once and become familiar with real-life failure rates of PC laptops from 2005-2015 vs. Macs.
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