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Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by throwaway2048 »

jasode wrote: post #361
lucb1e wrote: post #134

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Good memory! A few things: - My comment in this thread was mainly about gmail for businesses, hence the contrast between "I'm not going to fix their problems and just tell the recipient their setup is broken" and the previous "it's doable". Other mail providers are usually no problem at all, and personal Google accounts are also better. - For email to personal gmail accounts it seemed to be enough to send a few mails…

>I hope not. For what it's worth, I'm still at it and have no plans to stop hosting my own mail! You misunderstand the point I'm trying to emphasize. I'm not trying to dissuade you from running your own email. There are real benefits to controlling your own email server and it's great you've configured something that works for you. I'm saying I disagree with how some proponents communicate the drawbacks. They discoun…

You make it sound like his email being rejected is somehow his fault and he merely needs to "debug" his email service.

This is 100% gmail's fault and he has zero control over it.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by Sabinus »

umeshunni wrote: post #561
joshuamorton wrote: post #238

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Email in Gmail isn't used for ad targeting, so this line of thinking doesn't follow well.

The fact that you're being downvoted for stating the facts is a good indication of HN's groupthink.

Just because Google stopped scanning email for ad targeting two years ago doesn't detract from the fact that it was their practice for ten years previously.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/technology/gmail-ads.html

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by craftyguy »

silversconfused wrote: post #279
craftyguy wrote: post #209

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Or, if you don't want to commit yourself to yet another walled garden, there are quite a few other email providers that to choose from.

Please list a few. I need 3 personal inboxes, 2 home business inboxes (bills, etc), and the ability to make new inboxes for stupid startup prototypes you buy a domain for, hack on for a few days with dreams of huge sales, and then forget about for a year until the domain expires. You know, normal hacker stuff.

Here's a few: https://www.privacytools.io/providers/email/

Personally, I currently use mailbox.org.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by KajMagnus »

cpeterso wrote: post #388
thaumasiotes wrote: post #322

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I've had gmail send the following to the spam folder: - Legitimate class action notices related to Amazon purchases. - Email coming from addresses to which I had already sent email. (!) - Email from my landlord. - Email coming from Google itself. Based on the contents of my spam folder, which I have to check fairly often because of the extreme overaggressiveness, I would be vastly better off if nothing ever got filte…

Your comment motivated me to check my Gmail spam folder and 10% (3 out of 30) were false positives, two of which were pretty important. :(

Me too. 2 "spam" emails in Gmail's trash folder, none of which were spam (one was a newsletter from Mastodon (software)).

Edit: Gah. Now I checked my work Gmail spam folder. There was an email from one of my users there. (and nothing else)

Now I'm considering migrating away from Gmail, at least for work related things.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by gaadd33 »

slacka wrote: post #594
amenod wrote: post #317

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Not sure why you are being downvoted, you have a point. There is no excuse for the way Google is operating now - poor customer support, the only recourse twits and HN posts. I think it also hurts Google themselves. There is a reason they have trouble competing with AWS. Why should developers trust Google that there will be a person on the other side helping them out when things go wrong? And they always do, at worst…

> - define, hardcode and publish rules that will lead to successfull e-mail delivery (SPF, DKIM, history,...) This has existed for years: https://toolbox.googleapps.com/apps/checkmx/check?domain=tab... If your site passes and is not on a blacklist, your email gets delivered.

That says you must permit google to send email on your behalf in your SPF record. How is that relevant at all for sending email to Google?

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

joering2 wrote: post #290
prlambert wrote: post #270

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I'm genuinely sorry to hear that. Our analysts are looking into the issue described in the article, hopefully we find something we can fix that will resolve this.

Since you profile claims you are from Google, you should know by helping here you really doing disservice to everyone else having same problems. Hacker News is not a “gmail customer support hotline center”. You have billions of dollars to setup a system or heck the whole state of the art department to help people with their gmail problem. So you will help two people on HN bitching at gmail.. what about all those that…

I agree with your message except the motivation part - you can't question that particular person's motives. It may very well be they care just like many other people at Google do, even though the management doesn't.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by bsder »

DenseComet wrote: post #494
_pmf_ wrote: post #141

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Would be a much more important case if the EU commission that cared about actual freedom instead of competitors.

The bigger problem is how to define what Google is and split it. Many of their platforms post losses like youtube, because they can afford to spend their ad money to prop it up. If you split away youtube, youtube would likely fold. Similar thing with android, Google props up android so they have an ecosystem they can get data from to use for ads. If android was split off, it would have no income stream and likely fol…

> If you split away youtube, youtube would likely fold.

I see no problem with this.

If you had to pay anything to distribute your video, the quality would soar relative to what we have now.

Re: Google Is Eating Our Mail

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Post by [deleted] »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #474
yeahitslikethat wrote: post #467

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If something happens a trillion times a day with .00001 error rate, then 50 MILLION things went wrong, affecting, say 50,000 people. 50 of them blast twitter and it seems the world is collapsing. The world is resilient.

I don't think an average of 1,000 mistakes per person-affected-by-mistakes is realistic here. I'd bet it's closer to 1.

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