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New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by lucb1e »

hugh-avherald wrote: post #245
titzer wrote: post #50

How does this work for employer-provided devices? I'd be violating my employment contract and could be fired for providing customs with my password.

It would be a pretty pointless law if "my employer says I can't" were a defence. I mean, they are targeting organized crime... I'm pretty sure that part of your contract would be invalid in such a case, especially if you were instructed to go to NZ.

I had a clause be put in my contract that government orders overrule NDAs. Not gonna stick my head into that wasp's nest where I have obligations both ways. Didn't even think of traveling, rather some court order or request to provide evidence or something; but yeah, this is the kind of logic I had that be put in for.

Not that I'll give it up without question, especially for something pointless and overreaching like a border search of digital devices, but still.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by woolvalley »

clubm8 wrote: post #598
woolvalley wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhone + Chromebook / other laptop, wipe everything to factory defaults before encountering customs. Use full disk encryption. Login to a cloud server that has your backups / restores / setup scripts / data. Preferably encrypt those backups before you upload them to the cloud server. Only reason why I don't do it more frequently is it's a pain in the ass. I've been fairly impressed with iOS's backup restoration syste…

>Login to a cloud server that has your backups / restores / setup scripts / data. Preferably encrypt those backups before you upload them to the cloud server. >Only reason why I don't do it more frequently is it's a pain in the ass. I've been fairly impressed with iOS's backup restoration system recently. Interesting! My gripe is I haven't found a way to do a cloud backup of an iPhone w/o putting the data in iCloud,…

You can do an encrypted backup of your iPhone via iTunes, archive it and then move it to whatever you want to. You can also put that backup inside some sort of encrypted container before you upload. You might feel like its redundant to 'double encrypt' your backup, but iOS wont back up a bunch of stuff if you don't encrypt the backup, so you should still do it.

You can also use some sort of E2E backup software like arq or restic, dig through it's archives and download your iphone backup that way.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204215

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by juiyout »

NullPrefix wrote: post #597
ttty wrote: post #581

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Restore to what account? I have so many, I doubt they are aware of all my accounts

>Please provide a finite list of your accounts. Lying by omission is still lying. It's easy to come up with new stasi operation techniques if there are no civil liberties.

> Please tell me all your crime and don’t omit anything.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by ldarby »

yholio wrote: post #494
ldarby wrote: post #446

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There is a risk of them looking at the raw data of the drive and asking what all the random data at the end of it is. The beatings will continue until you decrypt it. Hopefully you can and it's not actually just random data...

The outer volume is itself encrypted so if you correctly initialized it as recommended, the raw disk should be full of random bits. When read from within the encrypted outer volume, these decrypt to random data as well, so there should be no way to detect the inner volume, either by looking at the raw disk sectors or at the decrypted outer volume sectors. Most importantly, you have the plausible deniability that the…

See the cryptsetup FAQ 5.2 (https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/wikis/FrequentlyAsk...):

"This means that if you have a large set of random-looking data, they can already lock you up."

In the UK, with RIPA legislation, there is a real risk of someone dropping a USB key full of random data on you, telling the cops there's child porn in it, then you get locked up for 5 years for failing to decrypt it.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by brokenmachine »

reaperducer wrote: post #384
sjroot wrote: post #106

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Love this. Isn't there also something for Android that presents a "safe" account when you type in a particular passcode? This regulation is clearly made by people who don't understand the technology and capabilities of these devices. A waste of time and money; who is going to train customs officials to search through phones?

As cheap as burner phones are these days, it seems the easiest route is to buy a decoy Android and fill it with plausible-looking innocent data, and leave your real phone home when going on vacation.

I don't understand why you think there's a need to fill it with plausible-looking innocent data.

Why can't you just take a new phone and say, "it's empty because I got a new phone"?

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by brokenmachine »

bigiain wrote: post #528
EugeneOZ wrote: post #263

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While I know they have such imbecile laws, I just avoid visiting this country.

Sadly, if your username implies Australia instead of not-in-Kansas-anymore - we're almost certain to get even stupider laws than this fairly soon...

Sad but true... Mostly they sneak them in during Finals weeks or other distractions.

https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/647615/

https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about/consultations/assistanc...

They are clearly clutching at straws using the story about the rapist as a reason to want no judicial oversight for the ability to spy on all citizens. Why can't they get the messages from the teenagers phones, if they know they were sent?

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by brokenmachine »

flukus wrote: post #506
bacon_waffle wrote: post #440

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> getting a local SIM can be. I just picked up a new one for a work project at the local supermarket yesterday - $1NZD.

In Australia they have to record the details of the person buying the phone, but suffice it to say that relying on someone making minimum wage at a supermarket to enforce national security isn't particularly effective.

Just buying a phone at the supermarket doesn't make the SIM work.

When I registered my last SIM, I did it online and they wanted Drivers Licence number and a lot of other info that I felt was quite a lot just so I could use a phone.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by brokenmachine »

torgian wrote: post #561
jboles wrote: post #469

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No; you are never forced to visit foreign countries. It's more along the lines of: you want to visit, you play by our rules .

Or in the case of a citizen of said country it’s, “you want to return home, play by our border rules, and btw you have no citizen rights because the border isn’t the country.”

Can a border agent refuse entry to a citizen of a country?

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Post by brokenmachine »

voltagex_ wrote: post #504
bacon_waffle wrote: post #440

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> getting a local SIM can be. I just picked up a new one for a work project at the local supermarket yesterday - $1NZD.

Which provider? I noticed (too late) that the airport SIMs have special overpriced plans. I'm used to paying ~$10/GB for data in Australia, it seems to be about double that in NZ without going on a plan.

I went to NZ fairly recently and I went with Skinny Mobile. It was 10G for $46 - 28days (Ultra Combo). No idea if it's still available or not.

It automatically renews though, so I had to remember to cancel it when I left.

Re: New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $5k Customs fine

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Post by brokenmachine »

ttty wrote: post #376
tootahe45 wrote: post #225

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In the UK and NZ they're already looking to stop people from buying burner phones with cash.

Come on... 2nd hand phone you can buy from gumtree for cash.

But you still need a connection. They practically want a blood sample when you try to register a SIM.
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