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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by spectistcles »

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

I'm with you on this. The bloatware in modern operating systems, even once you take away the PC-vendor garbage, is appalling.

I feel like they could keep things the way they are, and offer an AOSP-like vanilla version for people who generally know what they're doing (Google does a pretty good job with limiting it).

I'd pay hundreds of dollars more for this software option (have previously considered hiring someone to do it in the past on a new PC, but I have had bad experiences with PC repair shops).

I bought my spouse a new PC and literally had to spend HOURS removing software and decoupling McAffee from Windows. An i5-based system was out of the box crippled while it downloaded updates and software from the Windows store that I didn't even want to begin with.

OSX is markedly better, but I don't need siri, icloud, chess, ilife, dvd player, photo booth... the list goes on.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by deong »

Eun wrote: post #222
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

I'm especially partial to sitting there with a 4+k screen with nothing open, opening two finder windows to copy a file, and having them spawn on top of each other as tiny little 500px squares in the middle of a vast ocean of unused screen space.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by tracker1 »

komali2 wrote: post #591
hota_mazi wrote: post #584

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> Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? Not any more. Mac OS looks and feels very antiquated compared to Windows today. As a developer, Windows has caught up to MacOS for the shells and beats it in pretty much all the other areas (UI of the OS, keyboard shortcuts everywhere, great file manager(s), much more productivity tools available, etc...). And of course, Windows laptops are an…

Can you tell me more about your bash setup? It seems silly, but to me two big annoyances are 1. I can't figure out how to easily open up the bash/ubuntu thing where I need it. I'd love to just have a dedicated "github stuff" folder that it opens into by default (and can edit). I always seem to put stuff where bash ubuntu isn't allowed to touch, or I'm manually CDing around until I find that weird place where the C dr…

I use ConEmu in windows as my terminal of choice.. there are options to add an "open command prompt here" to the registry for directories/folders so you can right-click in explorer... You can also configure git-bash as your default... Copy/paste also get better... with the windows terminal, you can go into the config and choose the quick paste option, I forget what it's called on a mac at work.

Mostly, I use vs code, and open that from where I am in explorer.. it has it's own terminal that opens in the current directory, that I change to use git-bash -l, adding in the git prompt script(s). Overall it works very well, imho better than bash for windows (ubuntu userspace).

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ksec »

Pleasantly Surprise that Mac Pro is still alive and getting a remake. Not only are they not killing it, they are also Pre-announcing it. Both action seems very Un-Apple.

My guess is that, Mac Pro, no iMac update, and Macbook Pro with touchbar had many pro users worried and start freaking out. And Apple think they needed to do something fast because they dont have anything to shown in the short term. I also wonder why touchbar wasn't questioned in the Interview if they think it was a mistake. TouchID is great, Touch bar is not.

In 5 years time, by 2022 we are very likely to get 7nm from Intel and 5nm from TSMC. There is no reason why, within the same thermal budget, we cant fit a 16 Core CPU, a GPU that is equal or faster then today's Top GPU, 128GB RAM, and PCI-E 4.0 SSD. I.e This iMac will be faster then many of the Mac Pro sold today, and likely to cover majority of the Pro uses.

That is why I am surprised at Apple continue to support the Mac Pro. It is highly likely the numbers of Mac Pro sales will continue to shrink.

I hope Apple look at Rack usage as one of the factor in its design. I see Mac Pro in Severs Rack as one of the potential to greatly increase its sales.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by coldtea »

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #592
coldtea wrote: post #504

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> and is inferior to the interactive bread-crumb style that the windows explorer uses Actually the Finder has interactive breadcrumb style paths that's not hidden at all (just not on by default): View -> Show Path Bar It also has a "path dropdown" with all the directories up to the current path, shown if you command-click on the current folder's icon+name on the top-center of the Finder.

"Show Path Bar" isn't interactive, but it's worth noting that the Command-Click trick lets you navigate to any of the folders along the path, not just display them. (Which I'm sure you know, but just in case readers don't.) I've never found macOS's window management to be that bad, but to be fair I've been using Moom for a decade or so, and lately have been using the "split full screen app" trick a lot. (Someone else…

>"Show Path Bar" isn't interactive, but it's worth noting that the Command-Click trick lets you navigate to any of the folders along the path, not just display them.

Not sure what "isn't interactive" means, but the OS X "path bar" let's you do the exact same thing (as you describe for the command-click on the folder icon): by clicking on any folder along the path you can navigate to it.

Note that it takes a double-click for that though. Perhaps you were only single-clicking?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by tracker1 »

rlonstein wrote: post #433
issa wrote: post #318

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My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

I've been satisfied with Moom, http://manytricks.com/moom/ .

+1 for moom... I have mine set to a 4x4 grid instead of the default, so I tend to overlap some windows, depending on what I'm working with.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by johndoe4589 »

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

Let's not mince words. Ubuntu and linux OS'es in general are TRASH as far as user experience is concerned.

Lately I even tried elementaryOS, and it's worse than Ubuntu. They keep saying how it's not a copy of OS X, and it evidently isn't as far as user experience is concerned, but on top of that they're obviously inspired by a design that's now completely outdated. At least Ubuntu is looking ahead and thinking of touch interfaces.

Ubuntu is genuinely the only somewhat passable option for people who don't know, nor should know, what process thread is, or even how many cores are in their CPU. Ubuntu has a somewhat consistent UI but still suffers from all kind of major bloopers. I mean, what the fuck. It's 2017, and it still doesn't save the last window size & position in most apps. It drives me mad. Some do, some don't, so it ends up worse than not supporting it at all.

I got fed up with Windows and Ubuntu so I bought a five year old Mac Mini. Sierra looks amazing, and it runs silky smooth. I don't AAA game and this will most likely serve me very well for web development. Came with a big SSD drive too.

It's kinda sad nobody can compete with Apple. But if anybody will I don't think it's the "free software" world.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by chrisper »

johndoe4589 wrote: post #607
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

Let's not mince words. Ubuntu and linux OS'es in general are TRASH as far as user experience is concerned. Lately I even tried elementaryOS, and it's worse than Ubuntu. They keep saying how it's not a copy of OS X, and it evidently isn't as far as user experience is concerned, but on top of that they're obviously inspired by a design that's now completely outdated. At least Ubuntu is looking ahead and thinking of tou…

Maybe it is the attitude that makes it "TRASH." It seems you have only tried Unity and elementaryOS? Right now I use Cinnamon, which is similar enough to Windows to not be "TRASH" imho.

Also here is a Linux joke for you:

If you don't like certain things, just fork it and do your own thing.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by MikusR »

valuearb wrote: post #446
josefresco wrote: post #111

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Not sure why this was downvoted as it's completely accurate. Apple invited a well-known, Apple fanboy to an exclusive meeting with high level execs (feeling special yet?) to break this news - pretty much the best case scenario to break disappointing news.

"Religious fanatics" is a dumb phrase. Gruber has and can be very critical of apple and everyone. OP was just unhappy that Gruber doesn't share the same opinions as they do.

Fanatic does not mean no criticism.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by MaulingMonkey »

shadowmint wrote: post #426
yokohummer7 wrote: post #253

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> On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. It is PowerShell, and it really is. Until recently I thought Windows had poor CLI support, and I discovered PowerShell and now I favor it even more than bash. Am I crazy? Possibly, but PowerShell is truly a piece of gem in the CLI history. It is a thoughtfully craf…

It is a thoughtfully crafted product regarding what "command-line interface" should look like. How so? I've never appreciated what's actually good about powershell... you pass objects around? So...? Is that a thing that's useful? If you want to just automate a task, having intermediate objects that are serializable (eg. strings) so you can `foo ... > blah` and inspect the value of blah before continuing (`cat blah |…

> If you want to just automate a task, having intermediate objects that are serializable (eg. strings) so you can `foo ... > blah` and inspect the value of blah before continuing (`cat blah | command2...`) has always seemed far more tangibly useful.

String parsing is the bane of my command line scripting experience. Even in targeting "identical" environments, all it takes is one changed installation default altering the output of one of my many commands for my scripts to break - usually in some non-obvious ways that require a good hour to get to the bottom of, rework, and fix. To prevent such changes from forcing me to rewrite my entire scripts every time, I try to centralize such text parsing and munging in one place, "deserializing" those strings once and feeding it to the rest of the system. Shipping around this deserialized state in command line scripting languages can be so awkward at times, as to warrant rewriting the entire thing in a proper programming language. Inter-operating between your new program and your existing scripts will, of course, require even more text parsing.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes munging text is your least horrible option. Powershell still lets you do that.

But Powershell's objects also let you, with great frequency, skip the "try to 'deserialize' text that was really formatted for humans and isn't versioned, can be ambiguous, and otherwise was never written with machine consumption in mind" step. If I feel the need for a 'proper' programming language for parts of my script, I can write C# modules and use them from powershell without writing a bunch of text (de)serialization code on either end. This singlehandedly eliminates entire swaths of the most brittle, opaque, and otherwise obnoxious code to ever grace my scripts.

TL;DR: Strings shot my dog.

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