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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by mlangdon »

chronic6l wrote: post #554
mlangdon wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prove it. Let's see some tax returns. In the absence of evidence, it is reasonable to assume that he is heavily in debt with no liquid assets and effectively poor. He paid a 7 dollar boy scout fee for his son from his "charity."

You think someone in debt would be smart enough to prod half the country as sheep into voting for him? Ha. America got trolled and was given the middle finger. We get it, you're upset. But listen to what the Democrat thought leaders are saying: stop dividing the country with your continued rhetoric in your comment. - Software engineer at Google in Mountain View, California

The onus is on him to stop inciting (and personally inflicting) violence against women, Muslims, Latinos, and more. That's what's dividing the country. I'm not going to rely on Democrats to lead any kind of thought until they grow a backbone.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Crito »

snowwrestler wrote: post #496
tempestn wrote: post #472

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I'm the furthest thing from a Trump supporter, but it is a significant leap to take his believe that a judge with Mexican heritage would be biased against him due to his anti-Mexican agenda, and turn that into an opposition of all people of Mexican descent. Trump has said some despicable things, but saying that a person of Mexican descent might be biased against him because he's basically a dick to Mexico seems reaso…

American pluralism, which the GP post was talking about, is the belief that people of many backgrounds can come together as equals and build a society together. Trump's focus on the Mexican heritage of an American judge (who was born in Chicago, Illinois, USA BTW) is a textbook attack on that idea.

> "the belief that people of many backgrounds can come together as equals and build a society together."

not

> "the belief that people of many backgrounds ALWAYS come together as equals and build a society together."

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by walshemj »

gohrt wrote: post #384
yolesaber wrote: post #361

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"Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." Wow. That is...troubling

Why? Welfare beneficiaries and women lean socialist, and vote socialist. They believe that's good. Thiel believes that's bad.

Not in the UK women tend to vote tory more than the male population did.

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Post by cyphax »

masondixon wrote: post #597
cyphax wrote: post #584

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> Thankfully, freedom of speech is such an integral part of the US, that there is not one side trying to control what the other can say, and the other doing the same back. Let's hope _other_ people's freedoms aren't being taken away thanks to your vote, though. I also don't see why you would Trump will actually listen to you. Because he says so? You trust what he says? I understand and will not debate that you feel l…

> Let's hope _other_ people's freedoms aren't being taken away thanks to your vote, though. Such as? > I also don't see why you would Trump will actually listen to you. Because he says so? You trust what he says? I'm not talking about Trump listening. I'm talking about liberals listening to trump supporters trying to explain to them why they lost, and why they feel they are taking away freedom of speech. > I understa…

> Such as?

Well, I'm thinking mostly same sex marriage, maybe the freedom of religion (which seems to be OK for most, unless you're a muslim). Trump promises a conservative SCOTUS nomination, so everything that comes out of that as a side effect has a risk of people's rights being take away, mostly the progress made under the Obama administration

> I'm not talking about Trump listening. I'm talking about liberals listening to trump supporters trying to explain to them why they lost, and why they feel they are taking away freedom of speech.

OK screw people who want to take away your freedom of speech (but I admit that I don't know exactly what the problem you mention is, because I don't live in the US) but the point still stands as far as I'm concerned: I understand that you're pissed off, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to abuse the presidential elections, unless (of course you really agree with Trump's ideas, in which case I understand a vote for the man), obviously. I seriously doubt it'll lead to any improvement for this group of people, which would certainly make me wonder what the _next_ elections would look like.

>The past 15 years have been a disaster. War, humanitarian crises, terrorism.

I'm confused. There's a large group of white males that feel left behind, and that's because of war, humanitarian crises and terrorism? Not things like a very high unemployment rate (it's I mean, I hate irrationality as much as you do, but I'm still trying to understand the issue, and why exactly it's all Clinton's fault and how Trump is going to help? (I mean, a possibly rich businessman is not really part of the angry group so I don't see how it makes sense that Trump would represent a group he treats poorly)

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Post by mercer »

masondixon wrote: post #597
cyphax wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thankfully, freedom of speech is such an integral part of the US, that there is not one side trying to control what the other can say, and the other doing the same back. Let's hope _other_ people's freedoms aren't being taken away thanks to your vote, though. I also don't see why you would Trump will actually listen to you. Because he says so? You trust what he says? I understand and will not debate that you feel l…

> Let's hope _other_ people's freedoms aren't being taken away thanks to your vote, though. Such as? > I also don't see why you would Trump will actually listen to you. Because he says so? You trust what he says? I'm not talking about Trump listening. I'm talking about liberals listening to trump supporters trying to explain to them why they lost, and why they feel they are taking away freedom of speech. > I understa…

> but more than anything the biggest risk is the attacks on freedom of speech through the liberal's bullying, public shaming, and ad-hominem attacks.

The latter strikes me as something that is an essential part of free speech. How would you address 'bullying, public shaming, and ad-hominem attacks' without also attacking free speech in the process?

That's an honest question, by the way.

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Post by [deleted] »

borramakot wrote: post #345
lxmorj wrote: post #224

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An outright denier, or a fuck-it-lets-solve-it-with-cool-shit-like-venentian-blind-satellite-swarms sort of guy?

The most clear statement from him I'm aware of is "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." 1:15 PM - 6 Nov 2012.

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Post by thenomad »

masondixon wrote: post #575

A huge issue today is the lack of calm, reasoned debate. As a Trump supporter I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal. I believe there is a worthy debate beneath all the political smear, but it is never reached. I believe the reason for this is the liberal media and the incredibly effective Democratic party election machine. The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for…

Would you be willing to articulate your argument for Trump here? I promise not to argue against you, and certainly not to slur you. Can't speak for anyone else, though.

We now HAVE Trump coming in as US president, so frankly I'd welcome a bit of hope that he might be good. I can't promise to agree with you, but I'm very willing to listen to arguments from those who hold opposing positions to mine.

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Post by chippy »

masondixon wrote: post #575

A huge issue today is the lack of calm, reasoned debate. As a Trump supporter I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal. I believe there is a worthy debate beneath all the political smear, but it is never reached. I believe the reason for this is the liberal media and the incredibly effective Democratic party election machine. The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for…

I'm curious:

> I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal

Have you ever had explained the liberal rationale to you and did you understand it?

I'm wondering if it works one way, or everyone struggles to understand the other. Thanks.

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Post by nihonde »

tptacek wrote: post #426
edblarney wrote: post #231

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"Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism." Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. This is one thing even the center-left press were talking about. As for Thiel - $1M might seem like a lot - but Trump doesn't really 'owe' Thiel anything, because Thiel doesn't have direct future influence etc., and…

Why exactly am I meant to be comforted by the fact that the craven opportunists --- the lowest of the low of the Republican party, discredited outsiders like Newt Gingrich and John Bolton --- are getting the most important positions in the United States government for kowtowing to Trump? There are important thinkers in the Republican Party. People with ideas and a moral core, people who have given years of service to…

I'm speculating, but I think you need to factor in that Trump will not tolerate advisors who outshine him. He probably wants a cabinet of loyalists before he starts caring about qualifications. Also, his appeal is significantly premised on the idea that experts are suspect and part of the problem.

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Post by tomp »

t1m wrote: post #348

Peter Thiel's "Mein Kampf" excludes women and minorities, who he feels have "damaged" democracy: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

You're just posting bullshit lies about Thiel everywhere you can. He said it pretty explicitly:

> It would be absurd to suggest that women’s votes will be taken away or that this would solve the political problems that vex us. While I don’t think any class of people should be disenfranchised, I have little hope that voting will make things better.

He also points out that the "most intense reaction" was to the factual "commonplace statistical observation about voting patterns that is often called the gender gap".

Lying is one of the main reasons the Democrats lost. Learn something from their failure.

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