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Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by smhenderson »

unsignedint wrote: post #36
smhenderson wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's a good idea too. Kind of WSUS for the home. The article does say Windows 10 Enterprise and Education have the feature enabled, but only for the local network. So at least that's a sensible default for business/schools.

It'll actually wreck havoc on a lot of small businesses, actually. A lot of smaller businesses where operating system upgrades/update cycles are ad hoc, and mostly on whatever comes with their new PCs (which usually is Home editions) and won't or can't upgrade to Enterprise. (I don't know if the Pro version's also set up the same way -- but even then, I wouldn't say there's great incentive/reason there, too, anyways.…

You're right, I hadn't thought of it that way. And, no, the Pro version behaves the same as Home in this case. even more reason for it to be off default and opt in only.

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by smhenderson »

cbr wrote: post #44
smhenderson wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC, Bill Gates famously sent a memo amounting to "you've got to be kidding me" regarding user experience Wasn't that about microsoft.com? WRT the download page? I don't recall anything about him bashing an actual desktop product. If I'm wrong and you can dig up a link, I'd like to read it. The "trying to download xxx" rant was classic!

I think the email in question starts on p3 of http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/files/library/2003Jangat...

OK, thanks. This is the one I was thinking of. Bill trying to download MovieMaker from microsoft.com and getting the full 90's web experience. Pretty funny stuff!

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by unsignedint »

smhenderson wrote: post #61
unsignedint wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll actually wreck havoc on a lot of small businesses, actually. A lot of smaller businesses where operating system upgrades/update cycles are ad hoc, and mostly on whatever comes with their new PCs (which usually is Home editions) and won't or can't upgrade to Enterprise. (I don't know if the Pro version's also set up the same way -- but even then, I wouldn't say there's great incentive/reason there, too, anyways.…

You're right, I hadn't thought of it that way. And, no, the Pro version behaves the same as Home in this case. even more reason for it to be off default and opt in only.

Yeah, I don't even know what Microsoft is thinking then -- practically, the Pro version would be the highest edition accessible to most of small businesses.

There seems to be a lot of poor choices Microsoft decided make on Windows 10... (Wi-fi Sense, and then this...)

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by tracker1 »

spikej wrote: post #58
smhenderson wrote: post #5

I'm all about peer to peer to make efficient use of resources but this, to me, is another feature that should be opt in by default. If you are like me you have a decent connection, know for a fact you're not utilizing as much as you're given and understand how a P2P protocol can help you and those around you. But your average user doesn't really know what this all means without explanation. IMO most people probably h…

I just installed Win 10 Pro, and my default was to get updates from Microsoft, not peer-to-peer

I upgraded from 8.1 (the free upgrade notification/activation) and it was enabled and set to internet by default.

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by fit2rule »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #33

Windows 10 is turning out to be a giant bate and switch for the average user. Most people will not even suspect that their bandwidth is being leached, their information is being sucked from their entire computer and their whole OS is left wide open to whoever microsoft deems worthy. The entire thing feels like a gigantic violation by taking advantage of the average person's ability or willingness to deal with all the…

Yeah, I was sort of excited to upgrade my Win7 VM to Win10 .. but with all the hassles and privacy violations I've been seeing reported, and now this - using my bandwidth without giving me any control over it - is just the last straw.

I'll probably never upgrade Windows again and just let my Win7 VM die an eventual death. This is not an Operating System being released by a company that cares about the user experience - its more like an AOL CD being shipped out to gullible users ..

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by fit2rule »

scholia wrote: post #56
Animats wrote: post #29

Microsoft seems to be setting all their defaults to "screw the user". This isn't good. Distributing Windows 10 as a drive-by install that takes over your machine and turns it into a spamming node is really sleazy. Microsoft is giving away Windows 10. That's a huge problem. It's not a compelling product they can get people to pay for, unlike all previous versions of Windows. Microsoft, for the first time, has to claw…

Sorry, there are just too many factually incorrect claims in your hyperbolic hysteria..... > Distributing Windows 10 as a drive-by install that takes over your machine and turns it into a spamming node is really sleazy. You only get the Windows 10 download if you have requested it. This means it is not actually a drive-by install, even if you are determined to use the term to smear Microsoft. (Drive-by installs are n…

Claiming that Microsoft is not in the surveillance-and-advertising business is rather facetious. Of course they are! Or .. why else are they harvesting absolutely everything they can possibly find out about me, from the moment the install is completed, until the final day when I uncover the secret options that turns it all off? If they weren't in the surveillance-and-advertising business, none of the spy options would be default to "On" ..

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by Sami_Lehtinen »

dm2 wrote: post #15

I think that they have a list of approved ISPs or some dependable way to make sure it doesn't happen on metered connections. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/windows-update... "As with Windows 8.1, Windows 10 won't automatically download updates or apps if it detects that your PC is using a metered connection. Similarly, Delivery Optimization won’t automatically download or send parts of updates or apps…

What it does matter if it's metered or not? I've got metered connection, it's 10TB / month included + 1€/TB for excess (outbound). I don't usually worry about little extra traffic.

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by scholia »

fit2rule wrote: post #67
scholia wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, there are just too many factually incorrect claims in your hyperbolic hysteria..... > Distributing Windows 10 as a drive-by install that takes over your machine and turns it into a spamming node is really sleazy. You only get the Windows 10 download if you have requested it. This means it is not actually a drive-by install, even if you are determined to use the term to smear Microsoft. (Drive-by installs are n…

Claiming that Microsoft is not in the surveillance-and-advertising business is rather facetious. Of course they are! Or .. why else are they harvesting absolutely everything they can possibly find out about me, from the moment the install is completed, until the final day when I uncover the secret options that turns it all off? If they weren't in the surveillance-and-advertising business, none of the spy options woul…

It's not its main business, by a very long way. It is, however, Google's main business, and the main business of quite a few free Android and iOS apps.

> until the final day when I uncover the secret options

So you did an Express install instead of actually going through the options? More fool you.

Re: Windows 10 uses your bandwidth to send other people updates

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Post by fit2rule »

scholia wrote: post #69
fit2rule wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claiming that Microsoft is not in the surveillance-and-advertising business is rather facetious. Of course they are! Or .. why else are they harvesting absolutely everything they can possibly find out about me, from the moment the install is completed, until the final day when I uncover the secret options that turns it all off? If they weren't in the surveillance-and-advertising business, none of the spy options woul…

It's not its main business, by a very long way. It is, however, Google's main business, and the main business of quite a few free Android and iOS apps. > until the final day when I uncover the secret options So you did an Express install instead of actually going through the options? More fool you.

Actually I cancelled my upgrade. I'll sit this one out until it makes sense to actually do the upgrade - at the moment, I'm not seeing any benefit to be had in doing it, and a lot of liability.
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