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Apple Gestapo: How Apple Hunts Down Leaks

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Re: Apple Gestapo: How Apple Hunts Down Leaks

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Post by chrischen »

antonovka2 wrote: post #55
sown wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if I'm not a criminal, I shouldn't be treated as such. It's a tad selfish, if you don't mind me saying, of you to automatically assume it's OK to give away my rights in addition to yours.

This is Apple, not the Government. If you don't like the legal terms of employment, California is an at-will state. Quit. That said, this article is total ridiculous bunk. Gizmodo has been trolled.

Even with the government: you don't have to obey laws. You can go live in jail. There's always an alternative option. Freedom is about having fair options.

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Post by tayssir »

houseabsolute wrote: post #47
alex_c wrote: post #44

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How so?

The rough idea is that countries that hobble companies' ability to compete will have more trouble generating competitive companies. Obviously this can be taken to extremes (allowing companies to buy children as slaves, for example), but if you err too much on the side of protecting the laborer then you can run into other kinds of consequences.

There's many ways that governments protect their local industries. For instance, the US saved its semiconductor industry (Intel, etc) from doom at the hands of the Japanese, by aggressive tariffs and other trade policies. (Intel cofounder Andy Grove mentioned this in the context of worker's rights. [1]) And that's not mentioning all the subsidies that went into building the US high-tech industry [2], as well as US industry in general [3].

That said, I certainly don't think Apple developers are badly off compared to Apple janitors, or Bay Area fastfood workers. And it's not like countries like Japan and Germany are slouches.

And it's possible that the article on Apple under discussion is false, as some commenters claim.

[1] http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/10/1010grovepinnacor.html [2] http://books.google.com/books?id=Y75K660UfzsC&pg=PA293&#... [3] http://www.newamerica.net/events/2008/why_world_isnt_flat

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Post by wheels »

houseabsolute wrote: post #47
alex_c wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so?

The rough idea is that countries that hobble companies' ability to compete will have more trouble generating competitive companies. Obviously this can be taken to extremes (allowing companies to buy children as slaves, for example), but if you err too much on the side of protecting the laborer then you can run into other kinds of consequences.

The implicit suggestion that this is because of privacy laws is silliness. There are plenty of industries in which Germany is ascendent (automotive, biotech, chemicals) which have no more lax information security requirements than computing. I mean, wouldn't you call bullshit if I said, "Maybe if the US had stronger privacy laws Europe wouldn't be dominant in the chemicals industry..."

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Post by tptacek »

wheels wrote: post #64
houseabsolute wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rough idea is that countries that hobble companies' ability to compete will have more trouble generating competitive companies. Obviously this can be taken to extremes (allowing companies to buy children as slaves, for example), but if you err too much on the side of protecting the laborer then you can run into other kinds of consequences.

The implicit suggestion that this is because of privacy laws is silliness. There are plenty of industries in which Germany is ascendent (automotive, biotech, chemicals) which have no more lax information security requirements than computing. I mean, wouldn't you call bullshit if I said, "Maybe if the US had stronger privacy laws Europe wouldn't be dominant in the chemicals industry..."

Have you ever read William Langewiesche's book on nuclear proliferation, _The Atomic Bazaar_? The fact that Europe has a need for workplace security does't mean that Europe actually has workplace security: Langewiesche alleges that lax security and deference to workers essentially allowed URENCO (the UK, Germany, and [mostly] Netherlands) to arm the A.Q. Khan network in Pakistan.
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