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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#61

It might not be related, but I've been seeing some spam in my gmail inbox in the past month. It seems that something has upset the balance. For example, this went to my inbox: From: [...] Baby Subject: HELLO HANDSOME Body: HOW ARE YOU DOING

I have the same problem, before these emails would go into the SPAM folder but now even some obvious 'YOU HAVE WON THE LOTTERY !" emails are arriving into the inbox directly.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#62

very funny, right after I saw this, I decided to check my spam folder just to see if anything important has been filtered out, and I saw an email sent by google marked as a spam: this email is sent by google when logging in google account from a new machine. they tag their own email as spam ... Hi xxx, Your Google Account xxx@gmail.com was just used to sign in from Chrome on Windows. Don't recognize this activity? Re…

At least their filters are as impartial as they're inaccurate and overly aggressive...

I wonder how that'd work in an anti-trust case?

"Your honor, clearly you can see that our services are so impartial as to flag our own email..."

Something tells me that probably wouldn't work.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#63

very funny, right after I saw this, I decided to check my spam folder just to see if anything important has been filtered out, and I saw an email sent by google marked as a spam: this email is sent by google when logging in google account from a new machine. they tag their own email as spam ... Hi xxx, Your Google Account xxx@gmail.com was just used to sign in from Chrome on Windows. Don't recognize this activity? Re…

Haha, I did the exact same thing and found the exact same messages. I thought maybe they were fake, but looking into them they look legit. Good job, Google!!

Yes, my first reaction was also thinking those were indeed fake google emails. but I checked the logging in time and the from email address, they are legit (I got two emails like this filtered this week).

those emails were sent from no-reply@accounts.I.google.com

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#64
post #34

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

> I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public. Assuming non-gmail servers are spammers is a pretty epic fail.

Value judgements aside, that's not what I'm postulating. It's more like "unknown" mail servers (meaning any mail server with low enough volume that Gmail doesn't have an opinion about it yet).

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha, I did the exact same thing and found the exact same messages. I thought maybe they were fake, but looking into them they look legit. Good job, Google!!

Yes, my first reaction was also thinking those were indeed fake google emails. but I checked the logging in time and the from email address, they are legit (I got two emails like this filtered this week). those emails were sent from no-reply@accounts.I.google.com

wait, there is a line on top of that email saying:

Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in accounts.l.google.com but has failed accounts.l.google.com's required tests for authentication.

what are required tests for authentication?

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#67

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

I decided to do a quick check of my gmail; there were 151 emails in spam, and literally not one I would want in my inbox.

It seems entirely likely that Google is weighting whether something comes from a private mail server very heavily, and Linus, being who he is, gets a lot of email from private servers.

Not saying this isn't a problem, but it probably doesn't affect 99% of email users.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#68
post #18

Google recently posted "The mail you want, not the spam you don’t": http://gmailblog.blogspot.de/2015/07/the-mail-you-want-not-s...

From looking at that, it appears to be a set of tools that high-volume senders of email can use to help ensure they don't get incorrectly flagged as spam. It seems to do nothing to help high-volume receivers of email.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#69
post #18

Google recently posted "The mail you want, not the spam you don’t": http://gmailblog.blogspot.de/2015/07/the-mail-you-want-not-s...

> We also recognize that not all inboxes are alike. So while your neighbor may love weekly email newsletters, you may loathe them. With advances in machine learning, the spam filter can now reflect these individual preferences.

I really wonder how these preferences are reflected if someone hasn't been using spam filters much. I get maybe at most a dozen spam emails escaped a year, and the rest of the emails go through (all mailing lists... I am on a lot of mailing lists) so I get about 50+ emails per day from just DL. So I barely ever need to mark something as spam, or even more something to another folder, so how does Google know what's my preference? It sounds like people who don't actively mark spams are less likely affected...

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