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Re: How American Fans Pirated Japanese Cartoons into Careers

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I too was a fansubber in the mid 90s.

It started innocently enough when I asked a friend for Akira tape and instead he gave me a badly but sufficiently subbed copy of Kimagure Orange Road from infamous quantity fansubbers Arctic Animation.

That lead to a local chapter of Cal-Animage (University of California anime club), where I eventually became an officer in charge of acquisitions and fansubbing.

At first I traded 3rd or 4th generation VHS tapes, but that was not to last.

I scoured obscure Japanese family stores in greater LA for new finds. I bought a LD player, a number of S-VHS recorders not to mention regular VHS and Beta decks.

I shelled out $500 for a Genlock for PC. I secretly envied those with Amigas whose equipment was better suited than PC.

I suppose the highlight was subbing of Evangelion episode 1. a week after a release in Japan and showing it at the club.

Reportedly I was responsible for kickstarting Fushigi Yuugi when my raw copies made it to Tomodachi Anime who were the big time fansubbers back then.

There was no money in it, most reputable fansubbers wouldn't charge more than a buck over reproduction costs and offered an option of sending in your own tapes.

Fansubbing was a team effort as it was rare for a single person to know enough Japanese and also possess the technical chops for editing/timing, producing.

Fansubbing seemed to start to die when pretty much everything seemed to be picked up by commercial companies but apparently it has never gone away.

These days I seldom watch anime, but when I do it usually is a dubbed version with my kids. And I realize that all those sub/dub wars were a bit silly.

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I enjoy watching various anime but am by no means into Japanese culture, nor the American culture that is into Japanese culture. However, when I was first introduced to anime by a friend (minus Spirited Away) which was Naruto, I was introduced to the English-subbed versions even though English dubs were available. After watching a few episodes of listening to Japanese and reading the subs, I thought it would be a goo…

> The English dubbed voices seemed to lack passion or say things in the wrong tones (or just be monotone!).

Acting takes time and a good voice director. Can't just hand a VA a script and expect magic. If there's a 1:1 ratio between time in the booth and play time, because the whole thing is done on the cheap, then fuckit. Garbage in garbage out.

> The only consistent exception to the poor English dubs has been Miyazaki. Heck, Liam Neeson was a voice in Ponyo!

I think Disney know a thing or two about casting and producing a good voice performance.

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"""piracy is really a last resort for when they really love the content but can’t get it any other way.""" This is very true and a pretty strong indicator that you are leaving money on the table by ignoring a customer segment. I've reduced my media consumption a ton but know enough people who stream TV shows (technically not illegal) they'd gladly pay for. The problem: they want to watch them in the original language…

Yup, that's exactly it. On-demand (not just immediately after release; sometimes you learn about already screened or even finished series and you want to start watching it), downloadable (optical media simply sucks, doubly so when they get scratched) and in original language instead of some crappy translation. There are ways in my country in which you can download like this in a technically legal way, with consistent download speed, simple interface and a better quality than streaming service - you only pay for gigabytes of transfer you use. There're tremendous amounts of money going to such services instead of publishers and authors because official sources can't be bothered to do media distribution in a viewer-friendly way.

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What really makes me love fansubs is when they include the honorifics when mentioning names. There's a lot of meaning that is put behind various honorifics, and that is lost when they are absent. I'd say the largest reason to download anime from fansubbers rather than stream it is that you become part of a culture that dedicates their life to anime. It can be rewarding, time consuming, and you might end up taking Jap…

I speak Japanese and I think putting those in is a distraction. That is one of many deep nuances in Japanese that can't be directly translated into English but needs to be considered in the translation's gestalt. Your choice of personal pronoun, use of end-of-sentence particles, and choice to use polite, extra-polite, or casual expressions also conveys a lot about you and your relationship to people. However, nobody wants to read gibberish like "Boku am coming-masu now yo!!" because it's not English.

These issues are hardly unique to translation from Japanese, by the way.

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This kind of dubbing wasn't exclusive to anime in that era, publishers basically bought the rights to cheap visual content and produced their own stories and scripts on top of it for maximum impact in their respective local markets. Germany: Die Zwei / The Pesuaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persuaders!#Redubbed_versi... Most famous and polarizing was probably the reworking of three different original program…

Also - Mighty Morphin Power Rangers!

They rather quickly started collaborating and I understand that now most sentai shows are produced from the beginning in cooperation with the American studio they expect to be subbing in American non-costume scenes.

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Matching the speakers' hair is useful, but too often notes end up as showing off. A good translation is supposed to replicate the experience of watching something in its original language, not explain every reference.

> A good translation is supposed to replicate the experience of watching something in its original language. I disagree. I prefer to have the literal translation and then have the reference explained. I want the purest, most literall translation possible. Imagine this situation. A character says "He is like a modern Nobunaga". I want the translation to say exactly that and, is the translator feel the need to, have a…

I can see what you mean in that case, but what about wordplay and puns? A running gag in Dragonball is Goku keeps calling Fortuneteller Baba (Uranai Baba) "old broad that nobody wants" (urenai baabaa). Do you want to read an explanation that takes up half the screen every time they do that joke? Would you even find it funny if you had to have it explained to you?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matching the speakers' hair is useful, but too often notes end up as showing off. A good translation is supposed to replicate the experience of watching something in its original language, not explain every reference.

> A good translation is supposed to replicate the experience of watching something in its original language. I disagree. I prefer to have the literal translation and then have the reference explained. I want the purest, most literall translation possible. Imagine this situation. A character says "He is like a modern Nobunaga". I want the translation to say exactly that and, is the translator feel the need to, have a…

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Matching the speakers' hair is useful, but too often notes end up as showing off. A good translation is supposed to replicate the experience of watching something in its original language, not explain every reference.

There's a pun in Azumanga Daioh about a cat's tongue. In Japan the expression "cat's tongue" means one dislikes spicy food; the joke would not have been translatable without some flavor text explaining the expression. A lot of anime is like this: full of dualogue that should be translated as-is to capture the immediacy of a joke or expression, but that has context that doesn't make sense to a non-Japanese without exp…

At about :50 (but I suggest watching the whole thing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBZBAbbKt8

Also completely off topic, but here is the voice actress for Chiyo-chan, Tomoko Kaneda, being pranked in a taxi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTUYNaNK9ns

I wish there were more English subs of shows like this. I watch them now and then on Youtube but I can only get the most obvious physical humor because I don't speak or read Japanese.

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What really makes me love fansubs is when they include the honorifics when mentioning names. There's a lot of meaning that is put behind various honorifics, and that is lost when they are absent. I'd say the largest reason to download anime from fansubbers rather than stream it is that you become part of a culture that dedicates their life to anime. It can be rewarding, time consuming, and you might end up taking Jap…

I speak Japanese and I think putting those in is a distraction. That is one of many deep nuances in Japanese that can't be directly translated into English but needs to be considered in the translation's gestalt. Your choice of personal pronoun, use of end-of-sentence particles, and choice to use polite, extra-polite, or casual expressions also conveys a lot about you and your relationship to people. However, nobody…

There are times when the plot changes and for example, in a romance, characters may switch from using surnames to first names. I've seen many low quality subtitles where the character will use another character's last name, but the translation will use the first name. While it does require some knowledge of Japanese (or other Asian cultures), it does contribute to the overall consumption of the anime, and only distracts from the attempted transition from Japanese culture to Western culture as translated.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a pun in Azumanga Daioh about a cat's tongue. In Japan the expression "cat's tongue" means one dislikes spicy food; the joke would not have been translatable without some flavor text explaining the expression. A lot of anime is like this: full of dualogue that should be translated as-is to capture the immediacy of a joke or expression, but that has context that doesn't make sense to a non-Japanese without exp…

At about :50 (but I suggest watching the whole thing) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBZBAbbKt8 Also completely off topic, but here is the voice actress for Chiyo-chan, Tomoko Kaneda, being pranked in a taxi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTUYNaNK9ns I wish there were more English subs of shows like this. I watch them now and then on Youtube but I can only get the most obvious physical humor because I don't speak…

That's exactly what I was thinking of.

Story about that clip: I was in Osaka getting wasted in a tiny bar. The bartender and some of the patrons were pretty into anime and games -- but the ones we tend to think of as "quintessentially Japanese" aren't universally known there. My compadres for the evening were big fans of ONE PIECE (which was the hotness in Japan at the time) but none of them had heard of Azumanga Daioh or even Katamari Damacy.

So when I said that my poor, drunken Japanese must sound like the cat thing from Azumanga Daioh, I showed them that clip on my cellphone by way of an example. Laughter all around. Those Japanese folks found the "American Sailor Moon" (a.k.a. Saban Moon) pretty funny as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS027mYtRu8

The atmosphere in that bar was so friendly that a few days later I endeavored to return. It took me like an hour to find it using my GPS and photos I'd taken from the first time around but eventually I did, and announced my triumphant return to the patrons with a hearty "HALLO EBRY-NYAN. HOW AH YOU. FINE SANKYU." Again, laughter, as they seemed to get the reference.

I haven't been to Japan since and the bar has closed down. The owner, I believe, decided to open a sports bar elsewhere in Osaka. More's the pity.

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