Depression's Upside (2010)

Post by DanBC » Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 6:27 AM UTC

empressplay wrote: post #58

DanBC wrote: post #57

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> the underlying problem, which is usually emotional trauma This is untrue. The emotional trauma hypothesis is thoroughly debunked and has been for very many years. The vast majority of people with depression do not have any emotional trauma.

If you attempt to reduce an extremely complex system of incidental traumas, re-enforcements, psycho-social effects and a multitude of many other factors down to "there was a death in the family" or "my father hit me once" then I would totally agree with you, that has been thoroughly debunked. There are healthy people whose fathers hit them, or have had deaths in their families, this is absolutely true. However, you d…

Post by javert » Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 6:54 AM UTC

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cactusface wrote: post #33

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Okay, we know that CBT works for depression, yeah? CBT postulates that your thoughts cause your emotions. Part of the therapy is identifying and refuting negative thoughts like, "You're worthless!" Well, if other people are telling you that you're worthless, in one way or another, then it has the same effect. It doesn't matter how much CBT you do, if everyone is around you is telling you that you're worthless, you're…

Your own thoughts and other people's communication do not have the same effect in the context you're describing. You could agree or disagree with what other people say (or whether it matters), for one, while the unreasonable thoughts and irrational thought patterns associated with depression is part of your own perspective in this case. These negative thoughts are identified by and refuted because of the fact that th…

Post by eCa » Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:08 AM UTC

doomrobo wrote: post #34

selimthegrim wrote: post #17

And Jonah Lehrer has magically regained credibility how?

Something something ad hominem. Besides that, to what are you referring?

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 7:46 AM UTC

javert wrote: post #62

cactusface wrote: post #33

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Okay, we know that CBT works for depression, yeah? CBT postulates that your thoughts cause your emotions. Part of the therapy is identifying and refuting negative thoughts like, "You're worthless!" Well, if other people are telling you that you're worthless, in one way or another, then it has the same effect. It doesn't matter how much CBT you do, if everyone is around you is telling you that you're worthless, you're…

That isn't correct, exactly, and your response to someone else who tried to point this out that only contained a link to a naive google search is really offensive. (Because it is patronizing, because it trivializes a complex issue, because it poses as a retort without actually being one.)

Post by saw-lau » Tue, Jun 16, 2015, 8:19 AM UTC

empressplay wrote: post #46

tim333 wrote: post #39

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Good luck. I did some and found it helpful. I kind guess personally that it works by a kind of neural network rewiring. Before CBT some neurones are taking input, processing it as indicating things being crappy and directly signalling that to the older reptilian bits of the brain that deal with that, without conscious awareness. By consciously becoming aware of the things are crappy reasoning you can argue against it…

That's essentially mindfulness too -- you catch a negative thought and then you construct a counter-argument against it to placate the reptile-brain. It's like living with a little child who's prone to temper-tantrums. Whatever it can take poorly it will, and it's your responsibility to re-frame things in a good light quickly.