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Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by wvenable » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:01 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #52

wvenable wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because code/webpages are delivered to you over the web doesn't mean you can take them and republish them somewhere else.

Is illegal code (i.e. malware) protected by the copyright to begin with? If it is, then all antiviruses blatantly violate copyright. But something tells me they don't need to ask any permission from malware authors.

It seems like illegal works should be protected by copyright[1]

But that begs the question, as ad injectors are probably not illegal.

[1] http://www.cardozo.yu.edu/sites/default/files/Eldar%20Haber,...

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by shmerl » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:01 PM UTC

ars wrote: post #47

jimrandomh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because fingerprints were found at the scene of the burglary doesn't mean you take them and republish them somewhere else.

Fingerprints are not copyrighted, code is. You might claim fair use if you published it as part of an article, but probably not on GitHub which is intended for using and editing code.

Publishing research on malware should be perfectly legit.

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by chrisBob » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:02 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #52

wvenable wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because code/webpages are delivered to you over the web doesn't mean you can take them and republish them somewhere else.

Is illegal code (i.e. malware) protected by the copyright to begin with? If it is, then all antiviruses blatantly violate copyright. But something tells me they don't need to ask any permission from malware authors.

Using a copyright work and modifying it in some way often qualifies for fair use. I also think that in your example the antivirus companies would be happy to see who complains about their copyright violation.

http://copyright.gov/fair-use/

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by __z » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

mkagenius wrote: post #5

I have never heard the term "American" programmer. Why?

Now you have :) (Indian Source)

http://www.mid-day.com/articles/10-interesting-facts-about-f...

>On the 31st birthday of noted American programmer, software developer and co-founder of the social media giant Facebook we look at some interesting trivia about the man and his creation...

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by techaddict009 » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

shiven wrote: post #55

sarciszewski wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anyone finds themselves in a similar situation, please email me the snippets and explain the story. I'll mirror them for you. scott@arciszewski.me Fuck censorship.

Your site is down. Error 526 Ray ID: 1f474c500f7a0ef1 • 2015-06-10 18:56:46 UTC Invalid SSL certificate

https://scott.arciszewski.me/contact/ this is the site url probably.

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by biot » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

mkagenius wrote: post #5

I have never heard the term "American" programmer. Why?

Now you have: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-10685669

  "It took a long time for the international media to pick up on the story,
   so I spent a long time following the Kampala hashtag on Twitter and
   checking my e-mail," said Jonathan Gosier, an American programmer
   living in the country.

And: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21280943

  There's a buzzword, coined by the American programmer Ward Cunningham,
  for the problems hidden in computer systems as a result of corners being
  cut: technical debt.

Also: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22american+programmer%22+si...

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by forgottenpass » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #52

wvenable wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because code/webpages are delivered to you over the web doesn't mean you can take them and republish them somewhere else.

Is illegal code (i.e. malware) protected by the copyright to begin with? If it is, then all antiviruses blatantly violate copyright. But something tells me they don't need to ask any permission from malware authors.

I assume there is some fair use cover AV providers could argue ("purpose and character of use" sounds like their bag) but I'd be surprised if many authors want to come out of the woodwork to fight that fight with them in the first place. As we can see in this case, it's a big deal that the author is seeking copyright takedown.

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

smhenderson wrote: post #34

jimrandomh wrote: post #16

Brief summary: Thejesh has accused Indian Airtel and Flash Networks Layer8 of something that may be a crime (depending on the particulars of Indian law) and is definitely a scandal. Specifically, the accusation is that Flash Networks Layer8 wrote a piece of malicious software and that Airtel injected it into customers' network connections. Thejesh republished the injected script on GitHub. Flash Networks sent a nasty…

Additionally Airtel denies foreknowledge and says it has nothing to with the C&D. I would not be surprised if this is PR (given their weasel-worded reasoning behind being affiliated with Flash NW in the first place [1]) but on the face of it they also think the C&D was unwarranted and not a good idea... [1] “This is a standard solution deployed by telcos globally to help their customers keep track of their data usage…

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Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by wvenable » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #62

ars wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fingerprints are not copyrighted, code is. You might claim fair use if you published it as part of an article, but probably not on GitHub which is intended for using and editing code.

Publishing research on malware should be perfectly legit.

Publishing a book report is very different than publishing the book itself.

Re: Indian Programmer Exposes Code Injection, Gets a Cease and Desist from Injectors

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Post by rroriz » Wed, Jun 10, 2015, 7:06 PM UTC

madez wrote: post #15

This happens in Brazil, too. It is outrageous but the public in Brazil is horribly unenducated and they couldn't care less.

I'm from Brazil. Which carrier do you use that has this same behaviour? I really want to check what they are doing...