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Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

kkmickos wrote: post #10
azinman2 wrote: post #2

Seems petty. Mozilla is one of the most pure open source projects out there in mission, ethos, and product. Addons are user choices, and trying to limit that choice is self defeating in free speech.

Well, some things at Mozilla seem a bit odd. A few weeks ago Nightly ended up having "Pocket" integrated, and rumour said it would replace Mozilla's own open source Sync plus the integrated Reader. Addons will soon no longer be able to be installed unless approved by Mozilla. (Another walled garden. Sigh...)

>Addons will soon no longer be able to be installed unless approved by Mozilla.

Bullshit. The add-on signing requirement will be able to be easily disabled. It's just as much of a "walled garden" as Debian's repos are (ie. nothing like a walled garden).

Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by waterhouse »

mintplant wrote: post #39
waterhouse wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a little question, are all the ads pre-downloaded, or could someone theoretically observe which ads your browser downloaded and deduce things about your history therefrom?

It downloads the same set of ads for everyone in the same country, then picks which of those ads to show based on local analysis. https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/files/2015/05/How-...

Hoho, that's excelllent. That looks like it could actually be real privacy for anyone who doesn't click the ads.

Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by gcb0 »

pdw wrote: post #41
gcb0 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so correct. debian's Iceweasel is a little squabble about the logo not being licensed correctly. they only divert official version to add the -debianXXX when they backport security patches on the stable branch. They never removed anything. apart from branding. They even upstreamed the branding agnostic flags so they don't have to change even that! FDroid's fork is now a move against binary blobs. And copious trac…

The logo copyright licensing was fixed years ago. The reason Debian still ships Iceweasel is that they do not have permission to use the Firefox trademarks. IIRC, to get permission, they would either have to use unmodified binaries as shipped by Mozilla or submit every build to Mozilla for approval. Something like that. In fact I was surprised that F-Droid was able to ship something called "Firefox". You seem to be i…

the logo is part of the trademark

Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by anonbanker »

anon3_ wrote: post #24

I boycotted firefox after the Brendan Eich affair. Mozilla is supposed to be a symbol of the hacker ethic. When they bent to the whims of social media lynch mobs - they betrayed the one who literally built the foundation of their existence.

I boycotted as well. The only person as important to Mozilla as Eich was JWZ.

Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by anonbanker »

vdaniuk wrote: post #51
anon3_ wrote: post #47

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"Why I won't mourn Mozilla" by Eric Raymond http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6688

This Eric Raymond? "Pederasty, at least, remains a common behavior among modern homosexuals. The `twink’ or compliant teenage boy (usually blond, usually muscled, depicted in the first dewy flush of postpubescence) is the standard fantasy object of gay porn."[0] Or this Eric Raymond? "I believe, but cannot prove, that global “AIDS” is a whole cluster of unrelated diseases all of which have been swept under a single r…

Excellent job of taking him out of context, while providing quotes that actually disprove your tenet that he's a bad person. After, if the reader was paying attention, they would clearly disagree, so you can claim no culpability for the act of misleading everyone.

Excellent propaganda technique.

Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by anonbanker »

vdaniuk wrote: post #54
fensipens wrote: post #53

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I had no idea, thanks for the quotes, especially the Turing quote. I hope fetchmail makes its choice too and dies. End of story.

I had no idea either and was quite surprised to see the attack on Mozilla from the author of "The Cathedral and the Bazaar". Decided to dig deeper and lost a significant chunk of my naivete concerning a certain type of open source advocates. The cherry on top. As far as I understand these are true Eric Raymond's beliefs: "It is relevant here that I am a third-degree Wiccan, which means that I’m pretty experienced at…

Then you discredit based on religious belief. Is there a low you won't stoop to?

Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by gcb0 »

rrx09 wrote: post #45
gcb0 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not so correct. debian's Iceweasel is a little squabble about the logo not being licensed correctly. they only divert official version to add the -debianXXX when they backport security patches on the stable branch. They never removed anything. apart from branding. They even upstreamed the branding agnostic flags so they don't have to change even that! FDroid's fork is now a move against binary blobs. And copious trac…

> FDroid's fork is now a move against binary blobs. And copious tracking. They are taking back firefox (pun intended). From the announce: "It removes the proprietary binaries out of the official builds." [emphasis mine] What's the nearest thing for general Linux? I'm guessing Tor Browser without Tor? I didn't see anything specific in Arch/AUR repositories.

I hope Debian's iceweasel will eventually serve that purpose. Stable is still on 31, so it will be interesting to see how 38+ shows up there. maybe looking at what happen on sid will already show something (sorry, i'm not following sid for a couple years now :(

Re: F-Droid Dropping Firefox

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Post by ptx »

gcb0 wrote: post #68
rrx09 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> FDroid's fork is now a move against binary blobs. And copious tracking. They are taking back firefox (pun intended). From the announce: "It removes the proprietary binaries out of the official builds." [emphasis mine] What's the nearest thing for general Linux? I'm guessing Tor Browser without Tor? I didn't see anything specific in Arch/AUR repositories.

I hope Debian's iceweasel will eventually serve that purpose. Stable is still on 31, so it will be interesting to see how 38+ shows up there. maybe looking at what happen on sid will already show something (sorry, i'm not following sid for a couple years now :(

Newer versions are available for Debian Stable as well, if you add the appropriate repository: http://mozilla.debian.net/
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