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Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#61
post #15

Strong enough for space elevator core?

Apparently not. From other comments:

cnvogel: it's assumed that materials with about 130 GPa of tensile strength would be needed for the "rope" of an space elevator

e12e: nanomagic spider silk: 5400 MPa (5.4 GPa)

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who would have guessed Except for not being a dog, such a spider is anticipated in Goethe's little poem «Annonce» (Advertisement): A little dog is sought that never barked nor bit takes broken glass as feed leaves diamonds as - - (my own translation, but wouldn't be surprised if it has appeared in these words before)

Yeah, pretty good! Ein Hündchen wird gesucht, Das weder murrt, noch beißt, Zerbrochene Gläser frißt Und Diamanten scheißt.

> Und Diamanten scheißt.

chuckles to self

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#63

Are these strong enough to build a space elevator?

From other comments:

cnvogel: it's assumed that materials with about 130 GPa of tensile strength would be needed for the "rope" of an space elevator

e12e: nanomagic spider silk: 5400 MPa (5.4 GPa)

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#64
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you able to break their spidereb with your hands?

This isn't something I'd be willing to try, for a black widow web...

At Brazil we have a related (and extremely creepy - have you ever seen a spiders swarm?) but harmless species.

Yes, one can break its web with the hands, but not without a conscious effort.

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#65
post #23

Goes to show that us humans aren't the best at making everything. Wish I thought of this when studying nanotechnology in grad school.

We're not the best at making anything. We're pretty good at using things, though.

I'm not sure that's strictly true. I've not yet heard of another species as good as us at making, for example, cars, or computers.

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#66

> exactly how the spiders incorporate carbon nanotubes and graphene flakes into their silk is not clear This confuses me. Surely they must've had some kind of hypothesis for this, or are they just going around spraying all kinds of creatures hoping they gain super-powers?

Well, spiders eat stuff, and poop out magic thread.

So change their diet, you change the thread...

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#67
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of effort going into just that, though there are some stumbling blocks researchers are still working their way through before we start seeing production scaled up. http://news.discovery.com/tech/spider-silk-silkworms-genetic...

But how about just natural silk with carbon nanotubes? Sure spidersilk is "the greatest" -- but maybe nano-augmented regular silk is better than, well regular silk? [ed: insert dystopian sci-fi plot of scattered survivors of the nano apocalypse growing bullet proof vests from silk worms found in old industrial (nano)waste sites...]

What do you mean by "natural silk".

Where do you think "natural silk" comes from?

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#68
So it basically looks like whatever the spider consumes (as food?), it will incorporate into its silk if not needed. In the interest of science, might be interesting to try different food coloring, spices/aromas based sprays to see if that would make the spider silk more colorful or create fragrant webs -- Also, this could be a special evolutionary trait to attract food (right aroma/color?)

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#70
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of effort going into just that, though there are some stumbling blocks researchers are still working their way through before we start seeing production scaled up. http://news.discovery.com/tech/spider-silk-silkworms-genetic...

But how about just natural silk with carbon nanotubes? Sure spidersilk is "the greatest" -- but maybe nano-augmented regular silk is better than, well regular silk? [ed: insert dystopian sci-fi plot of scattered survivors of the nano apocalypse growing bullet proof vests from silk worms found in old industrial (nano)waste sites...]

"Natural silk" aka "silk" comes from silkworms.
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