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What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've read, there had been plenty of warnings all day. >The group was on East 17th Street about halfway down the block when police took a stand and ordered protesters to get on the sidewalk. Before the march, while the group was in Union Square, police handed out flyers and used loudspeakers to warn protesters that they would be arrested if they didn't stay on the sidewalk. http://7online.com/news/more-than-…

> From what I've read, there had been plenty of warnings all day. That doesn't mean that e.g. someone who had just joined the protest was aware of that warning.

Unlikely. NYPD had been blasting the audio warning from LRAD trucks that people protesters in the streets would be arrested from the beginning of the rally all the way through the arrests.

It's unlikely that a protester missed one of the many forms of warnings (flyers, LRAD, verbal, etc) used in this case.

See:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ996JYzFME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SpC9PAuHb8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZoEBJDgHQU <-- you can hear the LRAD warnings in the background of this video during the arrests.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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I'm not from the States - when this kind of thing happens, does it affect your future employment opportunities? Will it turn up on background checks?

it depends on the states. Some states offer more protection for applicants than others. It also depends on position too.

Basically, any arrest record will stay on your record for number of years including ones where the charges were eventually dropped. But in many states, employers are either disallowed or discouraged from looking at it.

If there was conviction, it will stay with you. There is no way getting around that and that will jeopardize your future employment prospect.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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> I just got back from 12 hours in NYPD holding. If I can get arrested (with all of my white privilege and generally perceived non-threatening stature), so can anybody. ... Obviously I don’t know what happened in each person’s actual arrest, but I do know that the criminal charges overwhelmingly fell to people of color and those with more masculine gender presentations. One of the most distressing things I find about…

And even then she avoids connecting it with the word "privilege". You can almost see the cognitive dissonance in those sentences.

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Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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> This was super distressing for a lot of people, as those belongings usually included wallet, phone, and keys. So after you are done at Central Booking, you are basically left with no possessions or money, and no way to get into your home or contact anyone. Please, someone tell me this is fucking illegal.

  Please, someone tell me this is fucking illegal.
I find these outbursts of genuine surprise and bewilderment amusing, in the best possible way.

What I'm about to suggest is not meant to remedy or suggest alternate remedies to the workings of the criminal justice system as it currently operates.

I'm merely expressing amusement at the colossal unfamiliarity of most of the generally law-abiding public (Black, White, Hispanic or otherwise) at how poorly our system works, even with the best intentions of the law makers and policy wonks.

I can't but find people who expect an uniform carriage of justice, across all wealth levels, across all demographics and in all instances of law-breaking, to be nothing short of, deranged.

Not so long ago, I held such similar delusions of equality and fairness, albeit not to the same degree as some here on HN.

I always knew there was more than a little truth to the adage that it is far better to be wealthy and guilty than poor and innocent, in America.

Any speck of doubt cleared up after I sat in a courtroom to witness the pre-trial consultations of a high profile defendant in SF. In a criminal case.

It was a farce, to put it mildly. Just the resources available to the prosecutor on one side and the defendant with his high powered legal team -- which came with their own personal scribe to document the exchanges in the court, a videographer and the partner of the law firm among others -- on the other side, settled the matter for me.

I don't quite know if its standard courtroom protocol to call both the parties - the prosecutor and the defendant's attorney - into recess to discuss matters in the judge's quarters but I counted 7 such times they just left to talk behind closed doors.

I was floored at the deference with which the judge spoke to the defendant. The whole thing seemed like some closed door Congressional testimony with ranking members. I've never seen anything like it although I've seen the inside of a courtroom in unrelated matters before. I've seen common folk arraigned before. This was something else.

And mind you this was in proletariat-loving SF not some courthouse in Montgomery, Alabama or Angola, Louisiana. I don't know what one should expect in those places.

Try it sometime. Go to a courthouse and sit in one of the air-conditioned courtrooms and observe the proceedings.

Edit: see comment below. Thx refurb.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? They are allowed to express their right to free speech and expression as well, just as the protestors should be able to.

Are you serious? Members of the police force are prevented from to expressing their opinion while in uniform, they are sworn to duty. If they do it anyway, that way lie the Freikorps of the Weimar Republic. As the grandparent says, these guys need the equivalent of a dishonourable discharge.

Yes, a peaceful, static protest by simply facing the other way while uniformed but off the clock - at a funeral for a colleague - is totally the basis of a new Nazi state and the tens of millions of deaths it caused.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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> This was super distressing for a lot of people, as those belongings usually included wallet, phone, and keys. So after you are done at Central Booking, you are basically left with no possessions or money, and no way to get into your home or contact anyone. Please, someone tell me this is fucking illegal.

Please, someone tell me this is fucking illegal. I find these outbursts of genuine surprise and bewilderment amusing, in the best possible way. What I'm about to suggest is not meant to remedy or suggest alternate remedies to the workings of the criminal justice system as it currently operates. I'm merely expressing amusement at the colossal unfamiliarity of most of the generally law-abiding public (Black, White, His…

> I can't but find people who expect an uniform carriage of justice, across all wealth levels, across all demographics and in all instances of law-breaking, to be nothing short of deranged.

To be honest, the US is particularly bad in that regard.

Re: What happens after you’re arrested at a protest in New York

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Perhaps it time someone built a web site where the opinions, comments, and especially actions/votes, of every politician running for office, from City Council on up, were tracked. Scoring the politicians based on their support for the constitution and especially human rights, plus encouraging the vote, could fix this after just an election cycle or two.

> Scoring the politicians based on their support for the constitution and especially human rights, plus encouraging the vote, could fix this after just an election cycle or two.

If people cared about this.

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