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L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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Even more, we've given them root access. From your link: each laptop is equipped with a filter to block material deemed harmful to minors. Filters are enabled both on and off campus I bet that won't be much of an obstacle... but I like how you're encouraging them to "hack" - it's great to give them full control over their computers and see what they can do.

Very true, but I can guarantee that if a HS kid is able to figure out a way to access 'adult' material, it won't stay a secret for long. After that, the HS admin will deal with it in the same way as if they brought a skin mag to school in their backpack. :)

Oh boy... whats going to happen if they bring a sears catalog? The kinds of things they show in there...

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Contrary to popular belief everyone REALLY doesn't need to be a programmer.

Nope, but everyone doesn't need to be a mathematician, biologist, geologist, historian, or any of the other primary subjects in school either. I think that in 2015 it's hard to argue that a basic grasp of computers / software won't have at least as big of an effect on your quality of life after graduation as being able to work quadratic equations by hand, without reference.

I've personally been pretty irked by the whole "EVERYONE SHOULD LEARN TO CODE ASAP" narrative being pushed basically everywhere recently, but I agree with you here.

Sticking something like python onto the school curriculum would only be a good thing. The vast majority who do it won't become programmers, just as the vast majority who sit math don't become mathematicians, etc. but it would give kids a fun and interesting way to learn logic, create things on the computer for themselves, etc.

They have problems unique to them that they may be able to spin up little desktop apps or similar to solve, which could then go on to inspire them to become entrepreneurs, tech product creators, etc.

Regardless, there would be absolutely no harm in making it available to them.

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I don't know the history of this deal, but I'm entirely unsurprised that this didn't work out. Digital tools are just not up to snuff. Experiments like this are worth doing, but not with an entire school district. And jumping in when there's no actual curriculum yet is completely irresponsible. Blaming Pearson and Apple is disingenuous of the district. Of course salespeople are going to lie and overpromise. Anyone wh…

Our school district does this regularly with non-digitized curricula- drops a couple $100K, threatens teachers with penalties if they don't teach 'to fidelity', gives it about a year, scores don't magically skyrocket, teachers start abandoning the curriculum (they're still responsible for the scores), then it ends up in the resource room and the process starts again. It's ridiculous how often school districts keep buying magic beans, then blame the teachers when they don't work out.

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> Public discussion of education is always hampered by the fact that people not professionals in it have no sense of how complicated it is. My friend's a teacher and the stories she tells me give me a glimpse into it. She's been in an intercity school for about 3 years now and so far, yearly: * 3-4 of her students will be shot dead within a mile of their home or school * 10+ of her students will be in jail or in juve…

> 3-4 of her students will be shot dead within a mile of their home or school I honestly don't understand how can the united states live with that level of violence, seeing by themselves that they are the exception in the first world.

The only time I ever hear about things like this is on the internet. A large majority of people would never experience these types of issues outside an urban environment. Most likely the 3-4 shot dead will be shot by another student or former student. Most urban areas have these problems and its bad in certain areas.

I'd invite you to visit America for some length of time before you make conclusions based on internet hype.

>I honestly don't understand how can the united states live with that level of violence,

The people causing the violence feel that it is the norm and most people in those communities do not help the police in any way or cannot (due to retaliation). You can only help someone if they want help, it cannot be forced.

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I've been running a coding/tech club in a K-5 school and find the iPads work very well for younger students (K-2). Most are uncomfortable with trackpads and lack typing skills. The iPad is very intuitive and productive for them. I'm currently working through a short curriculum for K-2 using the Scratch Jr. app. Grades 3-5 use 11" Macbooks running the full Scratch application.

The iPad's are a great way to prepare younger students for "real" computing. I would not recommend tablets as a primary computing device beyond 2nd grade as "creation" capabilities are limited; the iPad turns into a media consumption device at that age.

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Aside from how Pearson performed, I'm rather surprised that they choose to buy so many iPads. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Are they teaching kids about programming or computer skills? Probably not. Did they expect Pearson to produce an entire curriculum just for the iPad? Why not a website instead, which is so much more easily accessed and maintained? Did these schools want to be "technologica…

I am currently developing an education website. One of a big advantage of a tablet app over a website is that the app is available offline.

Seriously why was this downvoted?

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

Have you had to deal with accessibility for disabled students (e.g. blind, low-vision, or mobility impaired) yet? As I understand it, assistive technologies on desktop Linux are much less mature than on Windows or Mac. And AFAIK, the only desktop environments that are accessible to blind users in particular are GNOME and Unity.

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In a 1996 Wired interview, Steve Jobs was asked whether technology could help education in the US. I think his answer was spot on.

> Could technology help by improving education?

I used to think that technology could help education. I've probably spearheaded giving away more computer equipment to schools than anybody else on the planet. But I've had to come to the inevitable conclusion that the problem is not one that technology can hope to solve. What's wrong with education cannot be fixed with technology. No amount of technology will make a dent.

It's a political problem. The problems are sociopolitical. The problems are unions. You plot the growth of the NEA [National Education Association] and the dropping of SAT scores, and they're inversely proportional. The problems are unions in the schools. The problem is bureaucracy. I'm one of these people who believes the best thing we could ever do is go to the full voucher system.

I have a 17-year-old daughter who went to a private school for a few years before high school. This private school is the best school I've seen in my life. It was judged one of the 100 best schools in America. It was phenomenal. The tuition was $5,500 a year, which is a lot of money for most parents. But the teachers were paid less than public school teachers - so it's not about money at the teacher level. I asked the state treasurer that year what California pays on average to send kids to school, and I believe it was $4,400. While there are not many parents who could come up with $5,500 a year, there are many who could come up with $1,000 a year.

If we gave vouchers to parents for $4,400 a year, schools would be starting right and left. People would get out of college and say, "Let's start a school." You could have a track at Stanford within the MBA program on how to be the businessperson of a school. And that MBA would get together with somebody else, and they'd start schools. And you'd have these young, idealistic people starting schools, working for pennies.

They'd do it because they'd be able to set the curriculum. When you have kids you think, What exactly do I want them to learn? Most of the stuff they study in school is completely useless. But some incredibly valuable things you don't learn until you're older - yet you could learn them when you're younger. And you start to think, What would I do if I set a curriculum for a school?

God, how exciting that could be! But you can't do it today. You'd be crazy to work in a school today. You don't get to do what you want. You don't get to pick your books, your curriculum. You get to teach one narrow specialization. Who would ever want to do that?

These are the solutions to our problems in education. Unfortunately, technology isn't it. You're not going to solve the problems by putting all knowledge onto CD-ROMs. We can put a Web site in every school - none of this is bad. It's bad only if it lulls us into thinking we're doing something to solve the problem with education.

Lincoln did not have a Web site at the log cabin where his parents home-schooled him, and he turned out pretty interesting. Historical precedent shows that we can turn out amazing human beings without technology. Precedent also shows that we can turn out very uninteresting human beings with technology.

It's not as simple as you think when you're in your 20s - that technology's going to change the world. In some ways it will, in some ways it won't.

http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/4.02/jobs_pr.html

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

Even more, we've given them root access. From your link: each laptop is equipped with a filter to block material deemed harmful to minors. Filters are enabled both on and off campus I bet that won't be much of an obstacle... but I like how you're encouraging them to "hack" - it's great to give them full control over their computers and see what they can do.

Please tell me such filter is for blocking violent images and politicians, not the natural reproduction process of our species.

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

Have you had to deal with accessibility for disabled students (e.g. blind, low-vision, or mobility impaired) yet? As I understand it, assistive technologies on desktop Linux are much less mature than on Windows or Mac. And AFAIK, the only desktop environments that are accessible to blind users in particular are GNOME and Unity.

I'm not certain.

Although I work in the district, I'm typically stationed at buildings other than where the current 1-to-1 deployment is happening; so I miss out on a lot of the day to day details.

That being said; the computers run stock-ish Ubuntu 14.04 with Unity. The students are able to install whatever accessibility tools they wish.

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