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Ruling from USPTO Invalidates All Claims Used to Threaten Podcasters

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Re: Ruling from USPTO Invalidates All Claims Used to Threaten Podcasters

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the USPTO is a laughing stock, they should consider some serious reform quickly or just being completely disbanded. they serve no valuable purpose other than to retard the whole of society for the future as far as i can tell...

The main reason it exists is to provide incentive for people to actually create things and to spend the money on R&D with a hope there will be a return. If I spend three years and $500,000 developing a new building material, I should be able to be protected from an employee of mine quitting and starting a new company doing the same thing from techniques he learned using my invention (for a certain period of time). So…

Software is abstract. Abstract subjects are strictly ineligible.

Re: Ruling from USPTO Invalidates All Claims Used to Threaten Podcasters

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I find A&E makes a good example for this. For A&E to work well needs A&E departments located within easy reach of an incident and to be staffed by people who are kept in practice and will operate immediately if required, instead of doing financial admin first. Now this list of factors means you can always make money by shutting down A&E departments as they cannot do anything but operate at a loss. However no matter h…

What does "A&E" stand for? Edit: Found it - it is The UK equivalent of what Americans call a hospital Emergency Room or just "Emergency".

Accident and emergency

Re: Ruling from USPTO Invalidates All Claims Used to Threaten Podcasters

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I recall a story a while back about a satellite that ended up in the wrong orbit after launch. The engineers knew how to correct it using various orbital maneuvers, but alas those maneuvers were patented and it was too expensive to license them. So the decision was made to splash the satellite and let the insurance companies pay out. At least that's my recollection... Edit : Here's a description of the issue, which i…

I thought that algorithms couldn't be patented?

Legally, they can't. But if you close your eyes, and pretend they are tangible, you could see it their way.

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I find A&E makes a good example for this. For A&E to work well needs A&E departments located within easy reach of an incident and to be staffed by people who are kept in practice and will operate immediately if required, instead of doing financial admin first. Now this list of factors means you can always make money by shutting down A&E departments as they cannot do anything but operate at a loss. However no matter h…

What does "A&E" stand for? Edit: Found it - it is The UK equivalent of what Americans call a hospital Emergency Room or just "Emergency".

Accident and emergency; it's the British English equivalent of the North American ER (emergency room).

Re: Ruling from USPTO Invalidates All Claims Used to Threaten Podcasters

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I find A&E makes a good example for this. For A&E to work well needs A&E departments located within easy reach of an incident and to be staffed by people who are kept in practice and will operate immediately if required, instead of doing financial admin first. Now this list of factors means you can always make money by shutting down A&E departments as they cannot do anything but operate at a loss. However no matter h…

What does "A&E" stand for? Edit: Found it - it is The UK equivalent of what Americans call a hospital Emergency Room or just "Emergency".

Edit 2: I typed too slow! Thanks though!

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They've also done two other great episodes on patents: 412 - http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/10/23/163480928/episode-... 551 - http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/07/09/329895088/episode-... Side topic, but I really wish Planet Money would look into medical re-patenting. Growing up I needed albuterol inhalers occasionally and I remember them costing less than $10, but recently my kid needed one and it was $60 wit…

Frankly this leaves me wondering why we leave medicine to private companies when we have agreed as a society that public health is the governments concern. Its unreasonable to expect a publicly traded company to do anything other than chase profits the best way they can.

Isn't it interesting that despite the ban on CFCs, and the lack of an exception for medicine, being something imposed by the government, your response is to blame the companies?

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree their lobbying is against the general interest of society, but it was the government that was elected to protect the interests of the public, and failed.

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Frankly this leaves me wondering why we leave medicine to private companies when we have agreed as a society that public health is the governments concern. Its unreasonable to expect a publicly traded company to do anything other than chase profits the best way they can.

Isn't it interesting that despite the ban on CFCs, and the lack of an exception for medicine, being something imposed by the government, your response is to blame the companies? Don't get me wrong, I completely agree their lobbying is against the general interest of society, but it was the government that was elected to protect the interests of the public, and failed.

The point is, both the urge and the power to lobby against the interest of the people come from the private and profitable nature of their interests.

It was not a punctual failing of the moralities of the companies, it is a consequence of a system that stimulates them to do it and given them the power to do it successfully.

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Isn't it interesting that despite the ban on CFCs, and the lack of an exception for medicine, being something imposed by the government, your response is to blame the companies? Don't get me wrong, I completely agree their lobbying is against the general interest of society, but it was the government that was elected to protect the interests of the public, and failed.

The point is, both the urge and the power to lobby against the interest of the people come from the private and profitable nature of their interests. It was not a punctual failing of the moralities of the companies, it is a consequence of a system that stimulates them to do it and given them the power to do it successfully.

But what actually hurt the people wasn't the lobbying, it was the actual banning of the CFCs in medicinal applications, which wasn't made by company with private and profitable interests, but by the government!

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Patent systems are definitely broken. I think that’s the conclusion of most neutral observers starting fresh and that digging past the purely abstract or ideological level. The reason it’s hard to do something about is that patents are property and the legal setup for property is foundational to an economy.

Patents are absolutely fundamental to the way medical research works today, especially the search for new treatments and medicines. That’s a tricky thing to mess around with. There are obvious problems. There are speculations about what fixing them could yield on one hand. In the other hand is a massive industry producing a lot of technology, science and actual treatments for diseases.

What seems (to me) to be missing in these debates is some humility about knowing the answers. While our culture is speeding through “movements” at a higher rate than ever before, we still tend to approach these big political/philosophical/economic issues with an early modern/modernist perspective. Our most popular philosophers for these matters are old dead guys who liked to think of big organic things like society and civilization in terms of how we should set things up if we had snapped into existence today, a clean slate. That’s a fairly pompous perspective.

In any case, I think the patents and intellectual property problem is a very tricky one to solve. Experiment with possible solutions is almost impossible. IP legally mimics regular property in a metaphor-like way. That metaphor is proving increasingly inaccurate. At the same time, we have huge pieces of our economy and whatnot built on it. At the same time our legal systems are showing signs that they might need a reimagining. Many of our legal constructs such as ‘legal entity’ or ‘jurisdiction’ are being pushed to extremes, and metaphors eventually break. Does the concept of a company legally approximating a person hold up when we have impenetrable layers of ownership across jurisdictions? Does the metaphor fray?

Re: Ruling from USPTO Invalidates All Claims Used to Threaten Podcasters

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Patent systems are definitely broken. I think that’s the conclusion of most neutral observers starting fresh and that digging past the purely abstract or ideological level. The reason it’s hard to do something about is that patents are property and the legal setup for property is foundational to an economy. Patents are absolutely fundamental to the way medical research works today, especially the search for new treat…

I am not an expert on the economics of pharmaceuticals, however based on work of an expert I have come to believe that patents are not essential to the way medical research works today.

Patents are essential to the current business model of pharmaceutical companies -- they are necessary to guarantee a return on investment, but the portion of the investment devoted to R&D and clinical trials is dwarfed by the marketing.

     If you look at the big companies you can divide their budget into 4 big 
     categories. One is R&D, one is marketing and administration; the 
     other is profits, and the other is just the cost of making the pills and
     putting them in the bottles and distributing them. The smallest of 
     those is R&D. The smallest is Research and development. Profits
     usually are about the same. Marketing and Administration is 
     more than twice as much.
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