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Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
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Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Uh, all of the cryptographic efforts of World War II?
Haha. Fair enough. :)
I probably should have defined that more narrowly to foreign policy. The military is generally fairly effective with battlefield intelligence in times of war. Congress and the president seem to be a different story.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is perhaps naive to assume that any given part can be had with identical properties and costs from American or non-American suppliers. Also, there are other considerations at hand, such as making life harder for foreign intelligence agencies.
I really can't imagine this has any impact on any chinese intelligence agency whatsoever. Tianhe-2 is already the #1 supercomputer - what possible difference could a minor (it's not an order of magnituge faster, and software doesn't scale perfectly anyhow) upgrade make?
It cuts off one avenue by which a foreign country might gain useful information from within American companies. China in particular is notorious for their industrial espionage.
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#64I know this is nitpicking but... I really hate when journalists who I would presume have some studies in literature, confuse "then" and "than". I'm not a native English speaker and I know the difference, and for some reason this particular mistake and "their/they're/there" makes me choke. Like I said, totally nitpicking on an otherwise interesting article but still... "...with true blue CPUs possibly faster per socke…
In some dialects, "then" and "than" are pronounced identically, so it is reasonable that they might be confused.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#65> 'opened the kimono' Kimonos are Japanese, not Chinese. EDIT: I understand that 'opened the kimono' is already a phrase but it seems like it was used because the article is about china.
It's a figure of speech, not a cultural reference. It's a term used for pragmatic openness between companies. Avoiding secrets. I prefer using the term 'lay your cards on the table'. Less charged.
> It's a figure of speech, not a cultural reference.
Yes, but it looks like the author thought they were being clever by using that specific phrase, given the article was about China.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#66I find it interesting to consider valuations for the two costs in allowing the chips to be used. Intel chip revenue, and future business growth = +X Security concerns, and future security concerns = -Y I really wonder what the value of X-Y is, i.e., what's the net benefit? It's hard to reason about as a member of the public without inside information. Y is particularly opaque in this case. Also I really think the nar…
> It's my feeling that both countries have far more pressing domestic and regional concerns than each other
However domestic concerns that are hard to solve can benefit from (made-up) external concerns. It has also been used to enforce power internally.
Other than that domestic concerns have the problem that solving them can change status quo and give the fact that such decisions of course are made by people that are currently in power it might play a role in keeping that power, also by distracting from the fact that it might not be to the benefit of the people.
That of course doesn't have to be the main case and probably isn't here, but of course that is a pattern, basically like evolution or evolving systems (not just biologically). Status quo of being alive and dominant usually means that this dominance will be used to keep it, which often results in stagnation, which may lead to the benefit becoming a handicap later - like when you are too specialized to status quo.
The US (government wise) seems to lately struggle a bit with the world being/becoming multi polar. Like not talking in a bad way, but of course one has to consider that we are basically just past a century that was basically about an unipolar world with the US as the only superpower and even if society and especially individuals change more quickly such a huge structure tends to be a bit slower, which is something we can see when we look for example at old/ancient laws, institutions, etc. that still exist.
From a startup perspective: You might consider the old economy slow, but governments and especially the structures surrounding them are even slower.
On the other hand it might also be related to something like "I am pissed at you, so you don't get it. Take that" things that sometimes happen, often causing big effects despite just being a temporal disagreement on some completely unrelated topic. After all there is just ordinary people working behind the scenes.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, you know, free market etc.
And yet, the US won't sell Iran nukes or China F-22s. The world we live in is far from free market, for everything from solar panels to textiles [0]. A really obvious place in which one might actually want the opposite of a free market is in military tech. Exporting the tech behind a computer that'll presumably be used for mostly military purposes is something that could be expected to be frowned upon in certain circ…
> And yet, the US won't sell Iran nukes or China F-22s.
But still be the main sponsor of various terrorist organizations.
However, that's a different story. The thing that is upsetting here though it is that this is about a country with a legit, well-respected government, that is not known for violent anti-Americanism, etc. Oh and the population-wise biggest country in the world, often considered the only competitor to the US.
I think that's a big deal.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any company that wants to have a presence in the US must abide by the list as far as I know. Even further to the point AMD and Intel are actually headquartered in the US...
The point was to say that this is a Western problem not an American problem, because the ramifications against multinational companies are multinational.
Sorry- I read what you said as trying to make the opposite point. Re-reading it on context of what you intended it makes more sense now.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is perhaps naive to assume that any given part can be had with identical properties and costs from American or non-American suppliers. Also, there are other considerations at hand, such as making life harder for foreign intelligence agencies.
I really can't imagine this has any impact on any chinese intelligence agency whatsoever. Tianhe-2 is already the #1 supercomputer - what possible difference could a minor (it's not an order of magnituge faster, and software doesn't scale perfectly anyhow) upgrade make?
It's funny, because technically Tianhe-2 is the world's fastest supercomputer based on Linpack, but most of that comes from the Xeon Phi accelerators, which to my knowledge has been a total flop on the HPC scene. It's almost like a brilliant evil plan to make the Chinese chase a futureless accelerator platform.
Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
#70Is the US slowly bowing out of the international tech scene? China is still going to get their processors from somewhere, the difference is if they don't get them from US companies then no money gets added to the US economy when they do buy their chips. This type of government interference doesn't hurt Chinese businesses at all, but could damage or destroy US-based businesses that may depend on foreign customers to s…
MIPS CPUs are better anyway - a good British company (now).