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Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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I think the OP has a lot of confusions about the "vendor", "operating system" and very suprisingly with "linux" and "ubuntu" generalization.

I can understand the first two, but can't seem to understand one who has 8 years of xp with linux is able to generalize "ubuntu" with all of the other linux operating systems.

Quite the waste of my time to read this, nothing gained for me other than the thought of "hackernews top posts are going bad" sadly.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Can you elaborate on how OS X is way behind Gnome, KDE, and Windows?

Just used OS X a few times, but memory management seems to be a constant complaint.

Hm, I never had issues with that. Maybe if you use Chrome since that runs pretty terrible on OS X, but otherwise no issues. OS X tries to keep your memory pretty full, since there is no point in having a bunch of memory if you don't use it.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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I had experiences very similar to those of the OP. After almost 20 years with Solaris or Linux as my primary OS (with a brief interlude using OSX), I bought a Lenova Yoga 2 Pro and I thought I'd try using Windows as my primary OS. Two motivators: Windows had at the time better HighDPI support than Linux, and since I use Vagrant for everything anyways, I thought I could get the best of both worlds. That experiment did…

> Emacs & the CLI are second class citizens on Windows.

I'm wondering why a dev like Jonathan Blow seems to use mainly emacs for development on his Windows machine. He seems to be a developer with a focus on the Windows platform.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Can you elaborate on how OS X is way behind Gnome, KDE, and Windows?

File and window management is what kills OSX for me. Finder is just too simple and restrictive, and simple things like window snapping doesn't even exist in OSX. Don't get me started on the horrid mess that is maximization of windows. I really don't know what will happen when I press that green little button in the corner.

Its caled 'zoom' not maximize. It zooms a window. If youre an app developer you can choose what this looks like.

There is separate fullscreen support that developers can add if they wish, but that requires extra code on their part because once fullscreened, the desktop environment handles each fullscreened app as its own virtual desktop.

I wish you could look over my shoulder as I use OS X, you may not be so convinced its 'simple'

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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As someone who uses sc[1][2] (basic desc: spreadsheets in console with vi-like controls), I don't understand why someone would use switch to windows (as in reboot), just for Excel. Don't gnumeric and libreoffice fill all your typical spreadsheet needs? [1] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10699 [2] https://github.com/dkastner/sc

I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I have plenty of lecturers that insist on .doc/.docx handups and after an incident where a basic document (as in headings, page breaks and paragraphs as the only formatting) written in Libreoffice ended up in a 5 column layout on Word for no explicable reason, I'd rather just write them in an application that I know will show the same when the lecturer opens the file as when…

If your workflow is push-only, exporting to PDF fixes this. I have Office loaded on my iPad only for extreme situations. Also, I have Office 365 through my institution that I've been known to use once in a blue moon. Most of my document creation these days is org-mode -> PDF though.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Seems that author is confusing Microsoft Windows 8.1 with the Lenovo stuff which it ships along when you buy a laptop with the pre-installed software. And because of this reason I didn't bother reading other parts of the article. Though, I have been using FreeBSD as a base for 10+ years, Linux at work and with the arrival of Windows 8.1 I have switched to base of 8.1+Hyper-V+FreeBSD as a VM. This perfectly works on t…

> The bottom line , the computer was full of crappy Lenovo and other brands software that just gets in my way and i don't want to use. Even worse after about 2 days some of the bundled Lenovo apps started crashing once in a while. I know this issue is not related to microsoft, and i am not blaming them for this.

Seems pretty clear to me that he's not confusing the Lenovo stuff with Windows.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on how OS X is way behind Gnome, KDE, and Windows?

File and window management is what kills OSX for me. Finder is just too simple and restrictive, and simple things like window snapping doesn't even exist in OSX. Don't get me started on the horrid mess that is maximization of windows. I really don't know what will happen when I press that green little button in the corner.

Funny you say that. I haven't tried Windows 8, but window management is my number one complaint about Linux UIs. Windows steal focus all the time. Try launching Firefox, and switch to Terminal while it launches. Firefox will jump in front. Window resizing is also bad. I can never hit the resize target in the lower right on the first try, and when I resize from the left edge, there's all sorts of ugly tearing. I can't stand the window snapping behavior (why should dragging a window resize it?) and there doesn't seem to be any way to bring all windows to the foreground for an app.

Regarding OS X, you're right to criticize the green button. In OS X Yosemite, the old unpredictable Zoom behavior has been dropped, and instead it toggles full screen.

It's funny how our usage patterns are determined by our OS experience. I don't know any long-term Mac users who used the Zoom button; that seems to be a thing that Windows users do when they try a Mac. On the other hand, I reposition and resize windows frequently, but I rarely see Windows or Linux users do that.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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post #61

I think the OP has a lot of confusions about the "vendor", "operating system" and very suprisingly with "linux" and "ubuntu" generalization. I can understand the first two, but can't seem to understand one who has 8 years of xp with linux is able to generalize "ubuntu" with all of the other linux operating systems. Quite the waste of my time to read this, nothing gained for me other than the thought of "hackernews to…

> The bottom line , the computer was full of crappy Lenovo and other brands software that just gets in my way and i don't want to use. Even worse after about 2 days some of the bundled Lenovo apps started crashing once in a while. I know this issue is not related to microsoft, and i am not blaming them for this.

It's pretty clear that he distinguishes Microsoft from Lenovo. There's nothing specific that I can point to, but it seems that he knows the difference between Linux and Ubuntu, also.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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Impressed by the writer's dedication to putting spaces both before and after punctuation. Also nice to start to read from Linux natives being confused with Windows. Oh how the worm has turned! I've a foot in both camps, but any serious computing happens on Linux. With the exceptions of Excel and some niche Win-only software I work with.

As someone who uses sc[1][2] (basic desc: spreadsheets in console with vi-like controls), I don't understand why someone would use switch to windows (as in reboot), just for Excel. Don't gnumeric and libreoffice fill all your typical spreadsheet needs? [1] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10699 [2] https://github.com/dkastner/sc

That's not quite the situation, but thanks for the sc tip. It looks great, but again it's not really Excel that's keeping me on Windows. Phone has been Linux for 5+ years, at least (n900).

I have ended up running Win7 with a few 'Linuxes' in VMs. One main one, really though. #! for those who care... sadly recently discontinued.

The main reason I stick with Win7 is a) legacy reasons of my own, I suppose we could call them, and b) translation software. The FOSS alternatives aren't quite there yet (for heavy use), although I'd love to sit down for a few months/years and try to create one. A vi-like CAT tool that produced translation memories and lightning quick concordance... that's the dream.

Similar to Macha's POV, sometimes you just need to work with people who have no concept of free computing.

Re: Installing Windows 8 after 8 years of Linux

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> As a Windows developer and somebody who actually likes using Windows, I'm still shocked by how pathetic Windows Update is. Heh. My workstation in my cubicle at the office is getting a hard drive replacement right now because some update left it stuck at startup, saying "Windows is configuring things. Please do not turn off your computer." (Or something to that effect.) I get it; if it takes longer than 15 minutes t…

Just a suggestion: Using Virtual Machines is a good idea for your development environment. You can backup regularly and experiment freely.

And this would be where I would put my extra Windows licenses, or MSDN account, IF I HAD ANY.
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