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Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by noselasd » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 12:53 PM UTC

luisrudge wrote: post #56

pjmlp wrote: post #24

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I like both eco-systems a lot, however Java is currently more open than .NET, specially if you look around for available certified JVMs.

You're kidding, right? Where is the source code for java compiler and jvm stuff? Can you send a pull request? Can you see the commits? Can you see design meetings about the language? Java is not more open than .NET in any way.

> Where is the source code for java compiler and jvm stuff?

Here: http://hg.openjdk.java.net/

> Can you send a pull request?

You'd do that on the mailing list, until you become a contributer with direct access to the repo,http://openjdk.java.net/contribute/

> Can you see the commits?

Yes, in the above mentioned mercurial repos.

> Can you see design meetings about the language?

Java has developed in a somewhat collaborate/committee fashion which has been open to the public since before the JVM itself was open sourced. It is probably quite hard for random individuals to contribute directly to that, but yes - you can see what's going on it the JCP process, https://jcp.org/en/jsr/overview

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by pjmlp » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 12:54 PM UTC

brudgers wrote: post #52

pjmlp wrote: post #36

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There isn't any malware when downloading from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde... Or when packaging the Java application with the runtime http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/windows... Or using one of the commercial JVMs that compile Java to native code Or just bothering to read the dialog when installing it from Java.com. While it is true the bundling shouldn't exist in t…

My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

You might see it differently, but I never let kids update software on their own.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by brudgers » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 12:56 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #62

brudgers wrote: post #52

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My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

You might see it differently, but I never let kids update software on their own.

That makes you a good parent. As would the converse.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by tonyedgecombe » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 1:03 PM UTC

ximeng wrote: post #44

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #37

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I used my Authenticode cert for this, it wasn't very expensive.

How much out of interest? I see prices of 180 USD a year on Google search. It's not expensive but for say an open source project which might not be bringing in income it's an annoying cost.

http://codesigning.ksoftware.net/ from $73 to $95 per year

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by NicoJuicy » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 1:13 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #62

brudgers wrote: post #52

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My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

You might see it differently, but I never let kids update software on their own.

If you are always holding their hands, they are going to be unknowing when they grow up.

Let them see for themselves why they shouldn't install the Java runtime and explain to them why it's bad.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by maguirre » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 1:23 PM UTC

This is slightly off topic. However maybe someone on this thread can point me in the right direction. Can anyone recommend some good resources to get started writing low-level drivers for windows (books or open source examples)? I work mostly with embedded software on custom project. From time to time I need to interface with Windows machines and the information of this topic has always been limited.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by 0xFFC » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 1:26 PM UTC

crazychrome wrote: post #41

throwawaymsft wrote: post #27

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi

why this quote got down voted? it's exactly how Opensource progresses.

1.Because MSFT doing good job 2. Gandhi was sick person, you can search about it , He was afraid of money/tea and so many things.Those good thing we hear about Gandhi I think most of them are propaganda.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by aikah » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 1:35 PM UTC

sliverstorm wrote: post #6

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Let me see if I have this straight: - Keeps source closed. Is therefore evil. - Opens source. Must be up to no good, because is evil. This might qualify for the original meaning of, begging the question...

Whatever MS does in the future doesn't erase all the shit they did to get where they are today. They were basically behaving like mobsters around the planet,no more no less with the blessing of the US government, and still are.A few opensource libraries here and there won't change that fact.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by danielbarla » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 1:37 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #62

brudgers wrote: post #52

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My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

You might see it differently, but I never let kids update software on their own.

Sure, and that's a good idea. But I believe OP's point was the inclusion of the [crap|mal]ware in the first place, not what a reasonable response to it is.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by galaktor » Thu, Mar 19, 2015, 1:39 PM UTC

maguirre wrote: post #66

This is slightly off topic. However maybe someone on this thread can point me in the right direction. Can anyone recommend some good resources to get started writing low-level drivers for windows (books or open source examples)? I work mostly with embedded software on custom project. From time to time I need to interface with Windows machines and the information of this topic has always been limited.

I too have been finding it hard to find a single reliable and up-to-date source for learning windows drivers. There's a plethora of info online, but lots is out of date and/or scattered and redundant. Even decent paid training is hard to find, at least in my part of the world.

There's a book, but it's old [1]

There's samples, which are fresh [2]

There's a multi part series on Code Project, but it's old (yet much of it still applies conceptually; samples not so much) Part 1 of 6: [3]

If anybody has a good one-stop-shop and updated source of learning I'd very much appreciate it (I'd love a nicely written book on the matter that's not older than, say, 3 years old)

[1]: http://www.amazon.com/Developing-Drivers-Foundation-Develope... [2]: https://github.com/Microsoft/Windows-driver-samples [3]: http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/9504/Driver-Development-...