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Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Sam is obviously not a disinterested party here. Don't join a big company- start a new investment for him to participate in or join one of his existing investments and help to make it a success. But in my experience nothing opens doors for you like having solid experience at a well known and well respected company. If you put in 5 years at Google, Apple, etc. you will find it to be much easier to start (or to get hir…

If you put in 5 years at Google, Apple, etc. you will find it to be much easier to start (or to get hired at) a start-up than if you had joined a start-up right away.

I'm sorry, but this is really bad advice for engineers graduating from MIT in 2015 and predisposed to starting a new company.

You have your whole career to settle into a big corporate job for a long stretch; why do that right out of college? An entrepreneurial software engineer graduating from anywhere, let alone MIT, should almost certainly move to San Francisco after college and start or join a startup. If it doesn't work out, they'll find themselves looking for a job in an extremely favorable market.

Letting assumptions about what's "easier" cow you into taking some job for five years is no way to live, certainly not for a recent MIT grad with the most highly sought after skill set in the world.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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PG used to tell students to work for an established company for a while after college, then start a startup later with that experience under their belt. After a few years of YC, he changed that to: if you want to start a startup you should just start a startup. (Pretty sure he still makes an exception for finishing school though.) I don't recall him saying that experience at BigCo was bad, just that it turned out not to prepare people for startups after all, so if a startup is what you want to do then you should just plunge in and figure it out.

Experience at BigCo can be a mixed bag. I worked for two years at one, and it took me perhaps 10 years after that before I stopped noticing bad habits in myself that I'd acquired there—and I still wince at the memories. But the experience was valuable in one way: I learned a lot about users and their problems.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Perhaps I am wrong, but this seems like horrible advice. For example, while working for a big co, you could come across a problem that you want to solve with a startup. If you are a kid just out of college, you probably don't have enough experience to work on anything but a consumer facing startup - and those have very low odds of success, despite a few big unicorns we all know about

The advice I champion to anyone out of college is for them to commit themselves to quitting whatever job they get out of college within 18 months, preferably with a big company.

Then do it again, preferably with a small company.

After that, do whatver you want. You've learned from the scars of veterans with the big boys, you've dug trenches with the new kids, now the world is your oyster.

Go choose your fate.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Alabama bumpkins at cow colleges" I'm not sure what you're suggesting here, exactly, but I am sure that I don't like it. We have enough problems with ageism and sexism in this industry, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at regionalism.

It gives me faith in humanity that someone can be offended by a phrase that they admittedly don't understand the meaning of or point of reference. The surface text is that MIT students are better positioned to succeed at YC than people from more pedestrian socio-economic backgrounds. Altman isn't directly recruiting at community college students for reasonable reasons [by which I am not saying that there aren't poten…

MIT students are objectively better than those graduating from other institutions. The institution is prestigious in the field, highly selective in its admissions, and maintains a diverse and challenging curriculum.

If you are trying to recruit the best of the best, it makes sense to recruit there. But you will have stiff competition from everyone else seeking the same. You're probably also looking at CalTech, Stanford, Berkeley, and Princeton with the same eyeball. And sama is saying that some of those companies that set out to recruit the very best and most prestigious graduates are not always the very best companies to work for. That's it. If you graduate from MIT, you don't have to work for Apple, Google, Facebook, or any other company that anyone has actually heard of.

I came from the middle of the bell curve, and my first job was working for a start-up. I didn't need sama's advice, because I was just looking for the first thing I could find, rather than the first thing that would not spoil the purity of my perfect, pre-planned resume. That's why he was aiming at those busy beavers in Boston. He's just saying that people might be happier if they chased after the rainbow unicorn farts rather than prestige.

I have worked closely with graduates of Alabama, Auburn, and Alabama A&M, including the smaller satellite campuses. Those are not "cow colleges". Their graduates are not bumpkins. They are overly religious and entirely too enthusiastic about football, in my opinion, but they still know how to do the work. They also know how to chase their dreams, even when afforded fewer opportunities to do so.

Recognize that "bumpkin" and "cow college" are derogatory or dismissive terms, you may have used them without thinking about why you shouldn't, and that you may need to reflect on that a bit.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Got to keep the supply of young, cheap, idealistic and naive new developers going somehow ;-) /am a boring developer at a boring big company

It's all a question of fit/priorities, and doing what's best for you at that point in your career/life.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It gives me faith in humanity that someone can be offended by a phrase that they admittedly don't understand the meaning of or point of reference. The surface text is that MIT students are better positioned to succeed at YC than people from more pedestrian socio-economic backgrounds. Altman isn't directly recruiting at community college students for reasonable reasons [by which I am not saying that there aren't poten…

MIT students are objectively better than those graduating from other institutions. The institution is prestigious in the field, highly selective in its admissions, and maintains a diverse and challenging curriculum. If you are trying to recruit the best of the best, it makes sense to recruit there. But you will have stiff competition from everyone else seeking the same. You're probably also looking at CalTech, Stanfo…

YC can chase MIT graduates because they operate in that social stratum - YC's ex con is a professor there. Its most famous founder got his CS degree from the liberal arts school on the 'good' side of the Cambridge tracks. The third worked in Boston's second industry, banking up to the founding.

There are highly capable graduates from community colleges, e.g. Hanselman. But investing is about maximizing the odds with finite time to collect information. Altman is chasing the odds by taking his dog and pony to Cambridge, Mass rather than Troy, Al. It's business.

I apologize for offending you. The reference was self-depreciating on one level and an obscure reference to a respected tech leader that Altman's recruiting optimization tactic would miss. I'll point out that your stereotyping is 'Alabama bumpkin' by value rather than reference.

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